Why so Anti America on this forum?

[GaryPanic]

Exactly!!! You must have the power to keep it from getting taken from you if you have it.


this isn't a good arguement

You might be right if it is a debate.

But I would bet that if it was for real then the "Iceland" suggester would not advocate Iceland.

hmmmm..
I suggested it , and still prefer the smaller countries to have this -
rather than the US and the UK- this is an reduntant arguement anyway

I would prefer the smaller countries to be inthe high powered postiions - leaders of the world banks- UN etc --
they are less likely to be corrupt than those from larger more power ful ones (I include the UK witihn this statement)

 

[Mike375]

I would prefer the smaller countries to be inthe high powered postiions - leaders of the world banks- UN etc

If so, they would no longer be the "smaller countries"

 

[Brianwarnock]

ALSO, how many TONS of supplies did the US send the UK the YEARS before the US entered the war. HONESTLY the UK would not have lasted if those supplies had not been sent.

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I respect the rest of your post but it is precisely statements like the one quoted that give people anti US ammunition. To the US it was merely business and they screwed the British for every penny they could get, that's not the problem , its not acknowledging that that is the issue.

Brian

 

[Pauldohert]

They put man on the moon

Ah - yes - I like America!

I love that moon thing they did!

 

[Pauldohert]

ALSO, how many TONS of supplies did the US send the UK the YEARS before the US entered the war. HONESTLY the UK would not have lasted if those supplies had not been sent.

There are lots - infinite examples of what could have been if such and such did not happen. IT was a collective effort - much of it for selfish reasons by all sides.

To pick out isolated acts, as if they were somehow undoubtedly special seems a little egotistical.

 

[GaryPanic]

not quite
the larger countries would still be auditing their power and if someone was no independent enough then they would be removed ..

the intention would be for the good of the majority and not the individual country (with banking in mind) - the ability to have one country force it views over everyone else seems unfair - ( this bit is aimed at the US )
espcially when the whole of the banking system and community lost faith in the person who the US tried to force into power - cannot remember his name

where as if they could not appoint a person (but could remove one) it would be harder to be corrupt .not impossible- just harder , and let say 4 other countries could do the same - or on a majority vote - eject them out -

france did similiar about 10-12 years ago with one of its banking managers - tried to force it into the Euro bank over a dutch person -
the dutch persons well respected throughout the world banking system - as being one of the top people - and the french guy was know but not as respected or talent as the dutch guy

 

[KenHigg]

...To the US it was merely business ...
Brian

Not entirely:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

 

[Pauldohert]

I don't personally think WWII has much to do with the US's popularity or lack of it.

WE would have to look at their popularity against say Germany or Japan, which would probably indicate its role in WWII wasn't particularly important in its popularity today.

 

[GaryPanic]

Not entirely:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

highlights my point

not enough respect has been given to other countries
Russia by far lost the most "lives"
closely followed by China
and yet very little credit is given to these nations
mainly is the US and UK

I cannot be independnet in my views - being brought up in the UK

however I have been lucky enought to speak to people who were involved
I have spoken to germans who lived through the war , met a train guard from Belsen. spoken to children who lived in the village nearby ( all where in the 60's when I spoke to them)

I was station out in Bergen Belsen .







Ifs are dangerous statements

 

[Brianwarnock]

Sorry Ken you misunderstood, we were discussing the issue before America entered the war, mindyou I did read somewhere that she charged her allies for all ordinance supplied during the whole of the war, no wonder she came out richer than when she wnt in.

 

[GaryPanic]

I don't personally think WWII has much to do with the US's popularity or lack of it.

WE would have to look at their popularity against say Germany or Japan, which would probably indicate its role in WWII wasn't particularly important in its popularity today.

Good point ..

 

[Pauldohert]

Not entirely:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

AS you know Ken, Brian was talking about the supplies before entering the war, these stats do show why to lots of people/countries,the idea that America won the war, is at best laughable , or otherwise offensive, as if others sacrifice did not matter?

And may indicate why things like the "world series" irritate non americans, it reminds people of what they percieve to be an the US's ignorant, self centred view of the world.

 

[GaryPanic]

Sorry Ken you misunderstood, we were discussing the issue before America entered the war, mindyou I did read somewhere that she charged her allies for all ordinance supplied during the whole of the war, no wonder she came out richer than when she wnt in.

this was done on a sale or return basis

 

[KenHigg]

Hind sight is 20-20... War is terrible no matter how it's viewed... We're fooling ourselves if any of us think we could have done better - We can't even get along on this silly forum...

 

[KenHigg]

Sorry Ken you misunderstood, we were discussing the issue before America entered the war, mindyou I did read somewhere that she charged her allies for all ordinance supplied during the whole of the war, no wonder she came out richer than when she wnt in.

My bad - I didn't read through as I should have -

 

[Mike375]

Gary,

The part you are leaving out is that if the small country had everything......then whatever pluses it had because it was a small country....are gone.

 

[rainman89]

My bad - looks like he was from texas... I guess that makes sense come to think of it

(What is that guy's name - ?)

Slim Pickens

 

[KenHigg]

Slim Pickens

yeah that's his name... I was trying to think what else he played in...

Though the film was a comedy it was (is still) also quite sobering

 

[GaryPanic]

Gary,

The part you are leaving out is that if the small country had everything......then whatever pluses it had because it was a small country....are gone.

Noted..- agreed- no idea what the solution is -
we can all point fingers and say its the French's/Yanks/Candian/Ozzies Etc fault .
the solution - well thats a bigger problem than I could even hazzard a guess -

back to the orginal thread - 2 people who are very vocal in their opoions of the US do not represent the whole.

there are things about the US that make me mad, but likewise There are things about the UK that make me swear.

I try to be level in any critisim about another country/livestyle and if I poke a hole in someones style/country - i try to poke the same hole int he UK
example
Oz has hte most posions animals in the world you must be mad to live there -
UK has the crappest weather in the world - who would want to live here (just an example- but you get the flavour of how I try to balance an arguement or view out)
its seldom that you get me to rant about another country - I'll rant about the UK - cos its gone to the dogs - but another country -

no I am too removed from that country to give an objective view-

 

[Mike375]

And may indicate why things like the "world series" irritate non americans, it reminds people of what they percieve to be an the US's ignorant, self centred view of the world.

I have never had a problem with "world series" or "world champion" with a sport that is dominated by America and perhaps mainly played in America.

What about "Don Bradman" being the best batsman the world has seen. I did not see China, US etc in the ring.

What about world champion racing driver...Formula 1.....they can't even get the thing off the ground properly in the US and the US is the home of cars and hot cars. Any car racing that claims "world champion" and does not have America on boad is meaningless.

America is just like the biggest city in different countries, where the action is. Even in little ole Australia, people in Sydney don't know much about Adelaide or Perth and they don't have to know.