Sen. Barack Obama - US first black president?

[GaryPanic]

Col- you lay the blame at every given opportunity at the Americans
and while there may be a grain of truth in this you make it to be a boulder rather than a grain ,,
you have insulted a lot of the US posters here blaming them for Bushs action even though they haven't voted for him, and are against him -
you have more or less called them all gun tooting idiots - all blood thirsty -

and while this does describe a small percentage - you have applied this to the majority .

this is not a fair interpretation of the vast majority of americans
and while i 'll agree with your last post- you also are the first to bite even before a sensible discussion has started.

i am one for a discussion or even an arguement - but it has to be on a level field -
just blaming the Americans for everything ,does not make you look that clever - (I know that you are a smart person - educated and you can string a good sentance together -(a damn sight better than i can) ) -You techincal knowledge is brilliant - yet if you asked a sample of US posters they woudl label you as anti american -and single minded in your attack againsts the US

 

[sandy6078]

I would have liked to have seen this thread evolve from its original question.

I have only been a member a short time and decided to join when I found wealth of knowledge that was shared between the members. I was also drawn to the non-Access side of the website. Some threads are pure entertainment while others offer insight and lively discussion of current events. However, it seems that a majority of the threads all end up the same, with name calling, back biting and sometimes just pure malice.

Perhaps a thread could be opened for anti-American/anti-British rhetoric and whenever a thread starts to head in that direction the particpants can move to the anti thread and duke it out amonst themselve.

 

[KenHigg]

Good idea. It has been proposed but Col refused to participate. End of story.


ken

 

[pbaldy]

I would vote for a black or a woman. I would probably vote for Colin Powell, and I would have voted for Margaret Thatcher had she been here. I won't vote for Obama or Clinton because I disagree with their politics.

On a side note, if people stopped responding to Colin and Rich, perhaps they'd go away. They're children trying to get a rise out of people. I put them both on ignore a long time ago.

 

[KenHigg]

I would vote for a black or a woman. I would probably vote for Colin Powell, and I would have voted for Margaret Thatcher had she been here. I won't vote for Obama or Clinton because I disagree with their politics.

On a side note, if people stopped responding to Colin and Rich, perhaps they'd go away. They're children trying to get a rise out of people. I put them both on ignore a long time ago.

Same here... On both accounts.

Only thing is their quotes still make it in

 

[GaryPanic]

Hey Scott,

I live in the USA and in The South. I believe the possibilities of our country having a black president are very good. However, I think it's going to take someone standing up for the right issues. Obama is probably not going to be that man, but I do not think it will have anything to do with the color of his skin. Same goes for a female president. White only buses and other such comments are nonsense and just flat out aren't true. It seems to me that any election boils down to the issues and opinions. If we don't agree with the stands that an individual makes on issues that are important to us then we will not vote for them. At this point I don't think skin color or gender plays into the equation. I have not voted for many white men but it did not have anything to do with them being white or being a man. I just didn't agree with their stands on issues that were important to me.

would you mind pointing out if you are white/black (If i have offended you by stting white/black then this is accidentail - here in the UK - this would not be considered offensive

you have put a view out,and also kicked into touch the whities only bus idea

if you are of african/american decendent - your view wouldb e one that would hold a lot more weight than any view i could give about being non white/coloured etc ..

I would like to think that most people look at the issue rather than the colour of someones skin - and this seems to b e your view

 

[sandy6078]

Thoroughly agree with Paul. I don't think we have the right black person or the right woman running for president. It is worrisome though the celebrity connection to the Clinton's that will push up her votes.

 

[Rich]

On a side note, if people stopped responding to Colin and Rich, perhaps they'd go away. They're children trying to get a rise out of people. I put them both on ignore a long time ago.

There's already an all American forum for you it's called steadfast patriot, you'll do well there praising the all American dream of controlling the free thinking world

 

[GaryPanic]

I would vote for a black or a woman. I would probably vote for Colin Powell, and I would have voted for Margaret Thatcher had she been here. I won't vote for Obama or Clinton because I disagree with their politics.

On a side note, if people stopped responding to Colin and Rich, perhaps they'd go away. They're children trying to get a rise out of people. I put them both on ignore a long time ago.

well put , as your remarks about Margeret Thatcher - she was areal strong leader- but a hard nose bitch to go with it , she had policies that were painful to the country , but after this did leave the country in a decent order, however in different parts of the country you would get different answers , those that relied onthe coal industry - would like to string her up , while those in the city would make her a saint - however her last presences will out shine Tony blairs,
1 for being a women in a mans world
2 for being a hard nose bitch when it was needed

in the end what did her in was the poll tax, although a good idea she woudl not listen to the public opions and as such it gave others in her party theroom to push her out.

As to Colins posts - , there is a grain of truth in alot of what he' says but it is blown out of preportion and i think is self damaging - He is a nice bloke and angry at what the US has done in recent history (,mainly under Bush) - and in this i cannot blame him too much , however the UK under Blair has followed and this i cannot stand either - its no good having a "pop" at every american who around , any post thats started with a US touch to it sooner or later he has to have a dig . and there are some great us poster's out there who just stop replying because of this ..

 

[GaryPanic]

There's already an all American forum for you it's called steadfast patriot, you'll do well there praising the all American dream of controlling the free thinking world

again another pop ....

 

[ajetrumpet]

I suppose if the choice for you is a ****** or HillaryBabe, you'll vote for him under sufferance.

Question here...

Can Hillary Clinton finally stand on her own two feet and make a tough decision on her own?? I remember a while back the media was bashing her because she was all about being sensitive to everything and everybody.

Well, I'm sorry HILLARY BABE, but that aint the way it works. You want to lead the political game, you better be prepared to take the heat for your decisions.

You can never make everyone happy, there are two many views out there. Too bad we can't all just sit under one umbrella eh guys??

By the way, if I didn't mention it before, I am American...

 

[Rich]

again another pop ....

Yes, that's right, when somebody takes a pop at me I'll pop back, another\ thing that the Yanks don't like, someone who fights back

 

[KenHigg]

I think (this could be dangerous , that obama will attract the sectors of the black community that embarce our overburdened welfare system. Then there will be a large sector that simply feel obligated to vote for a person of their own color, from peer presure, no real reason, etc. Then others may vote for him simply because they agree with him on the other issues while the rest may not vote for him on the flip side.

I think the first groups interest in him will alienate the borderline white voters, the ones that may agree with him on the 'other' issues, to the point where he will not have a chance.

Hope that makes sense

ken

 

[Rich]

Well, I'm sorry HILLARY BABE, but that aint the way it works. You want to lead the political game, you better be prepared to take the heat for your decisions.

You mean like Bush, who's stubborn, arrogant, decisiveness has led to the deaths of countless thousand innocent souls around the World, I don't think so

 

[GaryPanic]

Yes, that's right, when somebody takes a pop at me I'll pop back, another\ thing that the Yanks don't like, someone who fights back

yeah but stop hitting back first ..

 

[Rich]

I think (this could be dangerous , that obama will attract the sectors of the black community that embarce our overburdened welfare system. ken

Why do you think the welfare system is overwhelmed by the black community, have you ever thought for a minute that employment has and is still denied them on a level playing field?

 

[Rich]

yeah but stop hitting back first ..

I responded to a post aimed at me, thanks....

 

[GaryPanic]

You mean like Bush, who's stubborn, arrogant, decisiveness has led to the deaths of countless thousand innocent souls around the World, I don't think so

shit .. i got to agree with you on this one...bush what a tosser...

 

[GaryPanic]

Why do you think the welfare system is overwhelmed by the black community, have you ever thought for a minute that employment has and is still denied them on a level playing field?

Hmm.. you might have a point, but are we in possesion of the facts

and are we in the UK equally as bias (or even racists?)
me as a whitie could not given an educated answer to this, i would like to think we are clear of this . but I am not in a postion to give a valid view - would need a Black Brit to answer this one

 

[KenHigg]

Why do you think the welfare system is overwhelmed by the black community, have you ever thought for a minute that employment has and is still denied them on a level playing field?

You been hitting the sauce again, I never said that. And until you've lived here please don't assign yourself an authority on our problems, please sir.


ken