Uk Road Tax Increase

[Fifty2One]

cosy efficiency & minimal impact on the consumer is the key. The government cant say all cars must run on 15% alcohol by 2015 unless they are willing to pay for the fuel conversion kits, installation etc... for everyones motor. My brother is a car designer who freelances but has been designing the new Bentley Arnage & he tells me that their is no real solution available for about 10years (at current rate of research). He tells me that batteries are the way foward but current battery technology is rubbish. Oh he also tells me that hybrid cars are a joke & pollute more than anycar. The fact that they carry a battery almost 10x the size of a normal car battery & a life span of 7 years... These batteries are non recyclable.

Im told that until a equitable solution is found, fuel efficiency & clevel fuel management systems are being developed. Expect cars made as light as possible with commodities such as regenerative braking (energy disserpated from braking is stored & then used in acceleration thus reducing fuel consumption on accelerating & not wasting engery produced by the brakes.) etc etc....

In North America ALL cars already run on 10% ethanol or 10% methanol, you have no choice because that is how the fuel is supplied to you. But dont panic because no matter what the fuel supply of the future is, the same people that are screwing you for petrolium products will again screw you for the replacement fuel. The government will regulate this because these boogers already have the infrastructure in place to screw the consumer and collect the precous taxes
Try to get a copy of Who Killed the Electric Car if you want to discover how the car manufacturers are still sucking people into planned obsolescence. These EVs were loved by all the consumers who were permitted to lease the cars while auto manufacturers lawyers waged war on the EPA and CARB in California USA. Once they won the fight all the cars were recalled and crushed except one example which has been rendered unusable and is stored in the sub basement of the Petersen Museum.

 

[GaryPanic]

Unfortunately the history of ring-fenced taxes in the UK is not good. Previous ringfenced taxes has been diverted into general funds very quickly.

yeah . i know - but if we hung the persons who moved them ... might make them think twice about it .....

 

[rsmonkey]

well its nice to see people read my post on how increasing fuel tax effects everyone driver or non driver. It bumps up the cost of living ergo its a flawed plan....

 

[Brianwarnock]

well its nice to see people read my post on how increasing fuel tax effects everyone driver or non driver. It bumps up the cost of living ergo its a flawed plan....

The plan is to increase taxe revenue, it will, therefore it is not a flawed plan.

If the plan was to make people greener ie use less fuel, then they should tax the use of the fuel not the ownership of the vehicle.

Brian

 

[statsman]

The plan is to increase taxe revenue, it will, therefore it is not a flawed plan.

If the plan was to make people greener ie use less fuel, then they should tax the use of the fuel not the ownership of the vehicle.

Brian

I feel BOTH should be taxed.
The current favourite vehicles over here for the MMTB crowd (more money than brains) is the Cadilac Escalade or the Mercury Navigator.
Both vehicles are sport utility (4 wheel drive, off road etc.) and they go for about $100,000. They both also bear a remarkable resemblance to sherman tanks (except for the treads). I don't know what the official mileage rate is but it would cost me a weeks pay to fill one up.
The owners never take them off road (what, scratch my $100,000 car?), they have them as status symbols.
If your weenie is so small that you need one of these vehicles, then you can also afford a 100% tax on the sale or lease.
As stated earlier, fuel should be taxed on an escalating rate, depending on how much you use. For one of these monsters, you would use up your monthly allotment in 1 trip to the shops.
We still live in a free society, so if it is your wish to drive a gas guzzler, I suppose you have that right. On the other hand, if governments are really concerned about the environment, taxing these things out of existance would be my preferred way to do.

 

[Alc]

I feel BOTH should be taxed.
The current favourite vehicles over here for the MMTB crowd (more money than brains) is the Cadilac Escalade or the Mercury Navigator.
Both vehicles are sport utility (4 wheel drive, off road etc.) and they go for about $100,000. They both also bear a remarkable resemblance to sherman tanks (except for the treads). I don't know what the official mileage rate is but it would cost me a weeks pay to fill one up.

One of my neighbours has one. It was a joy to see his son bouncing a basketball off the thing, with some friends.

I can't do the calculation to mpg in my head, but I found a site that listed the fuel consumption as 10.8 litres per 100km in the city, or 17.7 on the highway.

 

[oumahexi]

The owners never take them off road

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Like this you mean? At least it's not a school bus, only seats two!

 

[Fifty2One]

I feel BOTH should be taxed.
The current favourite vehicles over here for the MMTB crowd (more money than brains) is the Cadilac Escalade or the Mercury Navigator.
Both vehicles are sport utility (4 wheel drive, off road etc.) and they go for about $100,000. They both also bear a remarkable resemblance to sherman tanks (except for the treads). I don't know what the official mileage rate is but it would cost me a weeks pay to fill one up.
The owners never take them off road (what, scratch my $100,000 car?), they have them as status symbols.
If your weenie is so small that you need one of these vehicles, then you can also afford a 100% tax on the sale or lease.
As stated earlier, fuel should be taxed on an escalating rate, depending on how much you use. For one of these monsters, you would use up your monthly allotment in 1 trip to the shops.
We still live in a free society, so if it is your wish to drive a gas guzzler, I suppose you have that right. On the other hand, if governments are really concerned about the environment, taxing these things out of existance would be my preferred way to do.

Check out the actual 'ownership' on the majority of these high end cars. In most cases they are 'business' expenses, so the people driving them really dont concern themselves with the taxes levied on the sale or lease of the vehicle.

The governmnt really does not care about the health and welfare, for the most part they are a bunch of egotistical people with their own personal agenda to persue. Once in a while they have to throw the peasants a bone.

 

[oumahexi]

The governmnt really does not care about the health and welfare, for the most part they are a bunch of egotistical people with their own personal agenda to persue. Once in a while they have to throw the peasants a bone.

Gasp! You've got THEIR number then

 

[Rich]

Check out the actual 'ownership' on the majority of these high end cars. In most cases they are 'business' expenses, so the people driving them really dont concern themselves with the taxes levied on the sale or lease of the vehicle.

The governmnt really does not care about the health and welfare, for the most part they are a bunch of egotistical people with their own personal agenda to persue. Once in a while they have to throw the peasants a bone.

Are you sure you're sure that it's Canada you live in?

 

[scott-atkinson]

Whatever other people think, I still feel that the big gas guzzlers, whether bought by their owners now or already owned should pay large amounts of Road Tax, and duty on fuel should be cut so as to not penalise the averge person who drives a more economical car.

Have you seen the price of these big arse SUV's in excess of 25k most of them, if their owners can afford that then they can certainly pay more road tax.

I am sick of paying more for my fuel, today than I did yesterday, in the last 6 months, my travelling expenses have increased by 30%, and I drive a car that does 60mpg!!

This is money that is going into my car instead of my childrens mouths..

I bet Gordon Brown and all his cronies don't pay these pump prices I bet they get subsidised fuel.... Hypocrits..

If only there could be another Guy Fawkes, except this time he succeeds with all the pillocks in office....

 

[oumahexi]

Whatever other people think, I still feel that the big gas guzzlers, whether bought by their owners now or already owned should pay large amounts of Road Tax, and duty on fuel should be cut so as to not penalise the averge person who drives a more economical car.

If the road tax was added to the price of fuel then, effectively, they would be paying more than you. What's more, casual users would not be penalised as much. My parents are 82, my Dad drives his car to the local shop and back twice a week, he doesn't do more than 100 miles a year, but still has to pay the same road tax as the rest of us, is that fair?

Have you seen the price of these big arse SUV's in excess of 25k most of them, if their owners can afford that then they can certainly pay more road tax.

These are obviously brand new prices, or top of the range second hand. You can pick up an 8 year old Freelander for about £2k. Not that I'd count that as a real SUV.

I am sick of paying more for my fuel, today than I did yesterday, in the last 6 months, my travelling expenses have increased by 30%, and I drive a car that does 60mpg!!

We all are, and it's not just the visible cost of petrol and tax that's making you tighten your belt, this has a knock on effect of pushing the price of everything sky high, including the very food you feed to your children.

I bet Gordon Brown and all his cronies don't pay these pump prices I bet they get subsidised fuel.... Hypocrits..

Back to expenses again. This is yet another hidden tax on the tax payer, they, the politicians, travel at our expense, the cost of fuel does not affect them at all. They even eat at our expense! Do they forget that we're paying their wages? Of course they do. If I looked down on my boss the way your average politician does to the man in the street I'd soon get fired, yet we keep re-electing them.

If only there could be another Guy Fawkes, except this time he succeeds with all the pillocks in office....

Not the answer. Don't ask me what is, but I sure know that's not the answer. I do, however, understand where you're coming from in your anger.

 

[scott-atkinson]

If the road tax was added to the price of fuel then, effectively, they would be paying more than you. What's more, casual users would not be penalised as much. My parents are 82, my Dad drives his car to the local shop and back twice a week, he doesn't do more than 100 miles a year, but still has to pay the same road tax as the rest of us, is that fair?

You are right that is not fair, and they should either be exempt from Car tax or at least be subsidised.

Fuel duty should however be cut, and Gas Guzzlers subsidise this cut by paying more tax.

We all are, and it's not just the visible cost of petrol and tax that's making you tighten your belt, this has a knock on effect of pushing the price of everything sky high, including the very food you feed to your children.

And that is why the Government should cut the duty on tax, so I can afford to pay the increased prices for Food to feed my children.

Not the answer. Don't ask me what is, but I sure know that's not the answer. I do, however, understand where you're coming from in your anger.

Sorry, I disagree with you, these idiot who run our country should be publicy flogged and then hung by their feet, and drawn and quartered.

 

[Rich]

Fuel duty should however be cut, and Gas Guzzlers subsidise this cut by paying more tax.

Does that include farmers who have 4x4s?

 

[oumahexi]

According to the Mail Online, we still have huge resources of oil in the North Sea. So what's causing the increases in price if it's not just greed? I don't like that it's disguised as saving the planet.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1024205/North-Sea-oil-half-century.html

I have no objections to saving the planet, but please don't con me. The Earth has warmed and cooled all it's life. Carbon emissions and the ozone have fluctuated for ever. It has been proven that cows emit more carbon than cars do.

Personally, I think it's all propoganda designed to extract money from the people to line the pockets of the politicians. But I wouldn't flog them for it They'll get their just desserts, karma loves to play catchup.

 

[oumahexi]

Does that include farmers who have 4x4s?

Not if it's work related. These guys are already feeling the pinch.

 

[statsman]

Does that include farmers who have 4x4s?

If a farmer has a 4x4 for agricultural use, he never has to take it off the farm. As a result, he doesn't have to pay road tolls, doesn't need a licence plate and he can use agricultural fuel.

 

[georgedwilkinson]

If a farmer has a 4x4 for agricultural use, he never has to take it off the farm. As a result, he doesn't have to pay road tolls, doesn't need a licence plate and he can use agricultural fuel.

Not sure what "agricultural use" means, but having grown up on a farm in the US, almost every farmer has a 4X4 which they use in the field, tow produce to town (using the state road system), move from one field to another (using the state road system), visit the tractor/auto parts/feed store (using the state road system). Do they not do that in the UK?

 

[ColinEssex]

In the Uk, a famers 4x4 would probobly be his only transport so it gets used to transport hay or animals or to take him and wife to the opera. So would need tax.

"Red diesel" is the agricultural fuel used in tractors or combines. It is illegal to use it in a road vehicle. The police and HM customs frequently test for its illegal usage.

Col

 

[statsman]

Differences in vehicle usage it would seem.

In Canada we have "blue fuel" which I assume does the same. The exhaust from a vehcile using it is blue. I assume in the UK its red. Blue fuel is taxed at a much lower rate.

In some provinces it can be used on the road by a farm vehicle (eg. pickup truck) providing the registred owner is a farmer. As a rule, the local police know who is or is not. You could never use it in a passenger car.

There are many farmers in Canada who have old pickups jeeps and the like that would never pass a safety inspection following sale. They buy them for use solely on the farm and the vehicle never goes on the road. They have it towed to their farm from the point of sale. No plates, no insurance and no road tax as they aren't required.

Farms in Canada (especially Western Canada) tend to be much larger than in the UK.