Baby Euthanasia (2 Viewers)

[KenHigg]

Quite a sobering answer. Thanks for sharing your feelings.

 

[Rich]

If you were in Ireland and its laws were the decision of the Catholic church - I could see your point.


Since neither is true - in fact you are in the UK where the policy is against the beliefs of the RC church.

Whats your problem? I can only presume you think that your opinion should override that democratically decided in Ireland.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Try this for starters

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6114938.stm

 

[Vassago]

Peoples' opinions differ on this time frame, do you feel 100% confident that you can precisely define the correct moment in all cases?

Brian

Not by any means, but after birth, I think it's safe to assume that the baby has at least some awareness. The only time that this would be appropriate is in cases where the baby is completely brain dead or something similar.

I think the current abortion laws of most US states set the limit at the appropriate place.

 

[Vassago]

Only if there's a risk to the life of the mother, that's why so many of them come here, because the RC church says they can't have one in their own country. Like I said, it's about time the church stopped ruling our lives!

That I can completely agree with you on Rich. I live in a VERY baptist community and every law passed seems to have the need for the baptist community to approve it before anyone else can vote on it. They also seem to have the power to overrule popular vote.

 

[Rich]

That I can completely agree with you on Rich. I live in a VERY baptist community and every law passed seems to have the need for the baptist community to approve it before anyone else can vote on it. They also seem to have the power to overrule popular vote.

Oddly enough I went to a babtist Sunday school as a young child, my memories of then are that they were actually quite friendly and didn't preach incessantly, however I thank god that my mother saved me from Catholicism

 

[ShaneMan]

Hmmm

Any body been reasonably close to the situation ?.

Len

I would have to say that I am. Very close. I work with them everyday.

I work with the disable community and have done so for over 20 years. In the last 12 to 15 years it has been primarily with the pediatric community. I would find it interesting for anyone posting to ride with me for one week and then tell me what their opinion is after that. To interact with the families and to start to understand the patients way of communicating with you. I provide custom rehab equipment so this allows me to really become a part of the family because of having to make adjustments to the equipment a number of times a year. I also married one of my customers mothers and considered it a priviledge to aid in taking care of him, until his passing away, last Feb. My wife and I both talk often about missing Ryan and how we didn't mind taking care of him. Ryan was not able to even feed himself, but he had his mind and his own way of communicating to us. I believe even thinking of a subject like this is on such shakey ground. This is a "God-like" decision to make. We're really not talking about whether it's life or not. We're talking about the quality of life and whether that quality of life is so poor that this person becomes a burden on their family or society and if they are then lets terminate their life. Shouldn't we be talking about protecting our helpless and not killing them?

 

[Rich]

Is there a difference between killing someone and withdrawing life support?

 

[ShaneMan]

Is there a difference between killing someone and withdrawing life support?

I believe so. One is deliberately causing someone to die. The other is taking away a man made way of keeping a body functioning, by using machines, that otherwise would not be alive.

 

[Vassago]

It depends on if there is "someone" consciously there. If the brain is ompletely dead and there is not activity indicating that the person is in some way aware of anything other than bodily functions, then I would say that it's not killing someone because technically they are already dead.

If the brain is not completely dead, such as in situations where the person is in a coma, then I believe it's a case by case basis.

 

[Len Boorman]

Ithink the comments from Kraj and Shaneman illustrate clearly that this is tough call.

Could a law be constructed to consider the real situation. We can all stand back a little when we are not personally involved but when the situation is very close to home then maybe the call is not so clear.

My personal opinion is that it is a call by the parents.

Len

Edit

More thoughts

It is the parents who will be shouldering the responsibility for the care of the child perhaps for many years and for considering needs for the child after they indeed have departed this world.

Yes some control would be required to avoid the euthanasing of more mild cases,

 

[Pauldohert]

Only if there's a risk to the life of the mother, that's why so many of them come here, because the RC church says they can't have one in their own country. Like I said, it's about time the church stopped ruling our lives!

Try this for starters

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6114938.stm

I don't see any connection. Can you give me some concrete examples of where "the church" rules your life - and laws passed by democratically elected governments that happen to be in agreement with "the church" opinion don't count - you can blame the government for that, not "the church".

The church has no rule over my life - perhaps you are too easily led, influenced or dictated to Rich? Stand up for yourself!

If you want to act like a sheep don't be suprised if "the church" includes you in its flock. Baaaa

 

[Rich]

All right then know all, why was Sunday trading banned on Easter Sunday?

 

[jsanders]

All right then know all, why was Sunday trading banned on Easter Sunday?

In deference to a tradition that has gone on for several hundred years?

 

[ColinEssex]

In deference to a tradition that has gone on for several hundred years?

Large shops (floor area >280 sq mtrs) can't open on xmas day either. I don't see why, xmas has nothing to do with religion.

Col

 

[Pauldohert]

All right then know all, why was Sunday trading banned on Easter Sunday?

OK then know nothing -

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1754340,00.html

Lined up against them are a wide variety of interest groups, ranging from small business groups to the shopworkers' union Usdaw, the Keep Sunday Special campaign, supported by the Mothers' Union and the United Reformed Church, and some 220 MPs who have signed an early day motion opposing the liberalisation of the Sunday trading laws.

Its the church is it Rich - and not being able to go to a Tesco supermarket one day a year is ruling your life?

 

[ColinEssex]

Not just Tesco's - its any shop where the floor area is >280 sq mtrs.

Col

 

[Rich]

OK then know nothing -

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1754340,00.html



Its the church is it Rich - and not being able to go to a Tesco supermarket one day a year is ruling your life?

The Church stopped it, like I said, the church still has too much power in this country!

 

[ColinEssex]

The Church stopped it, like I said, the church still has too much power in this country!

Odd isn't it? comparatively, the church, christ and god are all dead ducks, yet some pervert archbishop in a skirt can dictate when we go shopping?

Col

 

[Rich]

In deference to a tradition that has gone on for several hundred years?

Easter Sunday's the most important shopping day of the year

 

[Brianwarnock]

The Church stopped it, like I said, the church still has too much power in this country!

If the church had as much power as you say then there would be no Sunday trading, why should shop workers have to work on sundays and bank holidays when the majority of workers don't? OK that'll hi jack the thread sorry.

Brian