Election Day

[Alc]

She used the phrase, "I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won't have to worry about paying for my mortgage. If I help him, he will help me."

If I am not worrying about something, then that usually means someone else is taking care of it.

Don't agree with that bit. I don't worry about my mortgage or fuel for my car. That doesn't mean I expect anyone else to pay it.

On the other hand, if I am not worried about something then it might be because my present state of being is more than capable of handling the something.

Which it may or may not be. My point is you can't tell from this tiny clip.

In this context, the assumption is still there that Obama is taking care of a something (whatever that may be) to make me more capable (tax cuts, a spread-the-wealth check).

Fine. She may be referring to his tax promises. Again, we have no way of knowing. The clip was posted in a successful attempt to provoke the sort of comment people wrote on Youtube. I imagine there are plenty of similar out-of-context clips available displaying Republicans in an equally bad light.

 

[Alisa]

For all of you naysayers: What specific event or outcome, if it happens, will make you say, "see, I told you Obama wouldn't ________ (fill in the blank)". And conversley, what circumstances would make you say, "jeez, he really is a great leader (or whatever)"?

Just curious.

 

[dkinley]

Agreed. Which is why I contrasted two different versions of worry.

I heard a quote once and just always tried to live by it:

He who lives upon Hope will die fasting - Benjamin Franklin

Which is exactly what the campaign was all about. We hope he will do something. We hope he can do something. I just never saw the proof in the pudding (his record, associations, etc). Since many Americans feel the other way, I am willing to give the guy a couple of years to produce said proof and contrast that with what he promises. I just doubt that there is nothing to it because he is a Democrat after all.

A promise is nothing if it's not in your hand, it's just words.

-dK

 

[Rich]

I am willing to give the guy a couple of years to produce said proof and contrast that with what he promises. I just doubt that there is nothing to it because he is a Democrat after all.

A promise is nothing if it's not in your hand, it's just words.

-dK

2yrs to sort out the mess Bush has left behind, I doubt it

 

[KenHigg]

2yrs to sort out the mess Bush has left behind, I doubt it

Typical democrat, already grasping for excuses

 

[Rich]

Typical democrat, already grasping for excuses

How long do you think it will take America to repay the gigantic debt Bush has built up, I got news for you Kenny, your great grandchildren will still be saddled with the debt

 

[Vassago]

Unless he can pull a Clinton.

 

[dkinley]

He won't be able to do that until he gets a Republican congress.

 

[Vassago]

He won't be able to do that until he gets a Republican congress.

LOL, maybe so. Only time will tell. He certainly can't make it worse, really.

 

[dkinley]

Since the Dems like to spend, doubtful - which is why I am willing to give him the chance to use the veto power. Ya know, that thing that Bush evidently forgot about.

 

[Vassago]

Since the Dems like to spend, doubtful - which is why I am willing to give him the chance to use the veto power. Ya know, that thing that Bush evidently forgot about.

Bush forgot a lot when he came into office, even who are true enemies are, so I don't expect him to remember much. I find it hilarious that he played relatively no part in the Republican's campaign this year. No doubt, he was told to stay away.

 

[dkinley]

hehehe .. I wouldn't of even allowed his video at the convention, either.

-dK

 

[Steve R.]

Well, it only took one day for the Obama camp to commence diminishing the promises made during the campaign. The New York Times reports: "Obama Aides Tamp Down Expectations". As time progress will we see ever more take-backs?

 

[KenHigg]

Well, it only took one day for the Obama camp to commence diminishing the promises made during the campaign. The New York Times reports: "Obama Aides Tamp Down Expectations". As time progress will we see ever more take-backs?

'the nation’s challenges are substantial'

Very articulate -

 

[Mile-O]

Well, it only took one day for the Obama camp to commence diminishing the promises made during the campaign.

I can't see where it says that. Nothing is said about reneging on promises; it's more a quelling of heightened expectation, as if a country in the shit can be healed overnight.

 

[KenHigg]

I can't see where it says that. Nothing is said about on promises; it's more a quelling of heightened expectation, as if a country in the shit can be healed overnight.

Where did you see anything about reneging anything in his post?

 

[Mile-O]

Where did you see anything about reneging anything in his post?

"it only took one day...to commence diminishing the promises"

Diminishing on the promises would be, in effect, reneging on what Obama has promised to attempt/do. The article said nothing about diminishing the promises - there's a realism about the situation there. Translating that to the population, that's a different story.

 

[KenHigg]

I thought diminish means something like to lessen. And renege means to completely go back on your word. So he never said Obama was reneging. And given that a promise has some kind of time element, and Obama never gave anyone a time line during his campaign but now says it's going to take a lot longer than you all think, I'd say he's lessened the expectation of his promises.

 

[Steve R.]

I can't see where it says that. Nothing is said about reneging on promises; it's more a quelling of heightened expectation, as if a country in the shit can be healed overnight.

Solving the Nations problems will take time. I may be paranoid, but I see the NYT article as simply a plant by the Obama spin doctors to lay a foundation for diminishing the campaign promises. A political savvy person would never acknowledge that they purposely made promises that they had no intention of keeping just to get elected. Instead they would initiate, post election, a media campaign that would "document" the complexities of the "problem" and that after careful "consideration" would require a revision of the campaign promises to reflect "reality". The movie Wag the Dog comes to mind as a humerus example of this manipulative process at work.

Unfortunately it is very difficult to know whether the politician is being honest or not. Only time will tell.

 

[Alc]

Where did you see anything about reneging anything in his post?

Doesn't "take-backs" mean reneging on something already offered/given?
The line about "As time progress will we see ever more take-backs?" implies that he's already done it at least once.