Gun laws do they work

[ColinEssex]

People that are against tasers are somewhat confusing to me. Which is why I am looking into informing myself. If a cop wasn't allowed to use a taser that would mean he would have to use his gun. While there is a risk as you mention, it would seem to me that it is a much less risk than if the criminal was shot.

So do you think all criminals should be shot? How about a 12 year old boy caught shoplifting chocolate? He may have a gun.
How about a 34 year old man caught shoplifting booze, he has a hand in his pocket, is there a gun?

Who gets shot and killed? And who gets the tazer?

On American police video programmes, it seems the police draw their guns if they stop a motorist for speeding, one false move and the motorist would be dead it seems. However, from the videos of those that do shoot, they couldn't hit a barn door at ten paces.

Col

 

[Dick7Access]

Col,
I am convince your have to be a top of the line debater. That is so funny. Thanks for added a bit of humor to my day.

 

[Brianwarnock]

I have noticed that Dick tends to say a poster is being funny if he does not want to answer their questions, but then he has a tendency to ignore questions.

Brian

 

[Adam Caramon]

I have noticed that Dick tends to say a poster is being funny if he does not want to answer their questions, but then he has a tendency to ignore questions.

Exactly. He's not here to actually debate. He just wants a place to post ramblings. Its futile to reply to his posts.

 

[Dick7Access]

I have noticed that Dick tends to say a poster is being funny if he does not want to answer their questions, but then he has a tendency to ignore questions.

Brian

Ok you two I will bite. Not because I really think Col was serious but because I think you two are doing the same thing, bating. “So do you think all criminals should be shot?” Where did I say all criminals should be shot. We are talking about a situation where the police officer feels the situation calls for a taser. If the situation doesn’t call for a taser then it doesn’t call for a gun, be it 12 year old chocolate bandit or drunk, or otherwise. If a police officer use either and the situation doesn’t call for it then, of course he is wrong. Only a stupid man or someone who is joking would deem what is going on in real life from the boob tube, and Col is definitely not stupid so it has to be humor/baiting. I have seen it time and again on this forum, bait someone until they get angry. It just doesn’t work with me. I never get angry. Well that’s not true either. You touchE my 32 ounce steak, I touchE you face. (see picture insert)

 

[Dick7Access]

Exactly. He's not here to actually debate. He just wants a place to post ramblings. Its futile to reply to his posts.

Ok you two I will bite. Not because I really think Col was serious but because I think you two are doing the same thing, bating. “So do you think all criminals should be shot?” Where did I say all criminals should be shot. We are talking about a situation where the police officer feels the situation calls for a taser. If the situation doesn’t call for a taser then it doesn’t call for a gun, be it 12 year old chocolate bandit or drunk, or otherwise. If a police officer use either and the situation doesn’t call for it then, of course he is wrong. Only a stupid man or someone who is joking would deem what is going on in real life from the boob tube, and Col is definitely not stupid so it has to be humor/baiting. I have seen it time and again on this forum, bait someone until they get angry. It just doesn’t work with me. I never get angry. Well that’s not true either. You touchE my 32 ounce steak, I touchE you face. (see picture insert)

 

[Dick7Access]

AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry today released the following statement regarding President Obama’s executive actions:

“The Vice President’s committee was appointed in response to the tragedy at Newtown, but very few of his recommendations have anything to do with what happened there.

“Guns require a finger to pull the trigger. The sad young man who did that in Newtown was clearly haunted by demons and no gun law could have saved the children in Sandy Hook Elementary from his terror.

“There is evil prowling in the world — it shows up in our movies, video games and online fascinations, and finds its way into vulnerable hearts and minds. As a free people, let us choose what kind of people we will be. Laws, the only redoubt of secularism, will not suffice. Let us all return to our places of worship and pray for help. Above all, let us pray for our children.

“In fact, the piling on by the political left, and their cohorts in the media, to use the massacre of little children to advance a pre-existing political agenda that would not have saved those children, disgusts me, personally. The second amendment to the Constitution is a basic right of free people and cannot be nor will it be abridged by the executive power of this or any other president.”

 

[ColinEssex]

Ok you two I will bite. Not because I really think Col was serious but because I think you two are doing the same thing, bating. “So do you think all criminals should be shot?” Where did I say all criminals should be shot

Dick, I think you are being particularly obtuse.

I never said you said all criminals should be shot, that is why I asked you the question - hence the question mark, something you could learn to use.

Ok Dick, here's a question asking for your own opinion, not a cut and paste one.

Do you think that Americans should have guns so that they can shoot another human being?

Col

 

[Dick7Access]

Dick, I think you are being particularly obtuse.

I never said you said all criminals should be shot, that is why I asked you the question - hence the question mark, something you could learn to use.

Ok Dick, here's a question asking for your own opinion, not a cut and paste one.

Do you think that Americans should have guns so that they can shoot another human being?

Col

Col,
I went back over your post and even with your explanation, and even with your mention of a ? mark it still comes across to me as an accusation. The reason for that is that asking question, as an answer, is a device in debating to get the other side off track. At least in the debating circles I have been in. I still maintain that, as was mention by someone in this thread before, that we all see things from our life’s experiences.
I will answer your last question, but in my mind it has no relevance to whether or not tasers are better alternative than a gun in certain situations. It is a whole different line of thought, but I will answer it, none the less.
Yes, without any reservation I do believe that it is right for an American, or a Briton or any other type of person to kill another person with a gun or by any other means, if that is what the situation calls for. You know Col, this is nothing new, Hawks and Doves. It has been going on for who know how long. The doves call the hawks, murders, and the hawks call the dove’s cowards. I don’t personally believe that, as I believe that there are some good meaning, caring, compassionate people on both sides. Each side, of course can point to examples to prove their side.

 

[ColinEssex]

Col,
I went back over your post and even with your explanation, and even with your mention of a ? mark it still comes across to me as an accusation.

Whatever.

Col

 

[Dick7Access]

Whatever.

Col

Yeah, that's what I say, whatever, as my opinion and yours will not matter in the long run. I also feel certain my side will lose in the long run. Sad but true, as it is not just the lost of gun ownership but eroding of our freedom. I feel like my 22 years of military are somewhat wasted.

 

[ColinEssex]

I don't think anyone has mentioned any link between Christian values and gun ownership.

Many Americans generally and on these forums refer to their church and profess to being Christians. Dick presumably is a Christian as he frequents a church that lets him take young boys away for holidays. He also says it is the right of Americans to kill another person.

How does that stack up against the "thou shalt not kill" teachings in the bible?

Or perhaps that is just ignored and people cherry pick bits of bible that suits.

I would be interested to hear what Christians with guns and a lust to kill think.

Col

 

[Dick7Access]

I don't think anyone has mentioned any link between Christian values and gun ownership.

Many Americans generally and on these forums refer to their church and profess to being Christians. Dick presumably is a Christian as he frequents a church that lets him take young boys away for holidays. He also says it is the right of Americans to kill another person.

How does that stack up against the "thou shalt not kill" teachings in the bible?

Or perhaps that is just ignored and people cherry pick bits of bible that suits.

I would be interested to hear what Christians with guns and a lust to kill think.

Col

You are right there Col, I am not only a Christian, but I am a preacher. You must have missed that,, but I admit that I only mention that a lot of post back.
I don't debate Bible on this or any other forum as you can't debate Bible by logic as it has to be discuss by faith. "thou shalt not kill" has to be discuss in the context of the Bible by faith. If you or anybody else doesn't believe in the infallibility of the Bible then we couldn't possible discuss what "thou shalt not kill" means.
"Or perhaps that is just ignored and people cherry pick bits of bible that suits."
You are right again, so right, to my constant annoyance

""to hear" Christians with guns and a lust to kill think" so would I Col so would I. I perseanlly don't have a "lust" to kill. I would use it only as a last resort. I do know one person that has a "lust to kill", but he doesn't like me so I can get his opinion.

 

[ColinEssex]

Yes, as I suspected, neatly sidestepped Dick

I would have thought the Ten Commandments are fairly set in stone and fairly clear. What else can "thou shalt not kill" mean? I know Christians bend the meanings to suit, but that one seems clear to me.
Maybe it just means animals and its ok to kill fellow man with an assault rifle.

Col

 

[Dick7Access]

I don't think anyone has mentioned any link between Christian values and gun ownership.

. Dick presumably is a Christian as he frequents a church that lets him take young boys away for holidays.
Col

This is not your fault Col as I have never mention it but Our ladies take young girls on vacation. Now they won't let me take young girls on vacation. It that a narrow minded group I run with, OR! what? On top of that thee young girls and boys often come back just as narrow minded as the rest of us.

 

[ColinEssex]

Nice sidestep again Dick.

Col

 

[Dick7Access]

Nice sidestep again Dick.

Col

Thank You, compliments are always appreciated!

 

[Brianwarnock]

Dick you are a real puzzle, on this thread you not only talk rubbish but present it in a rubbish way, from a few posts back

It that a narrow minded group I run with

there was another example but one will do and they appear throughout the thread, its as though you don't read what you type, it goes beyond the odd typo and spelling.

However on the Tattoo thread you talk complete sense, ie you agree with me, and guess what, its clearly presented.

I have come to the conclusion that the thought of guns blows your mind.

Brian

 

[ColinEssex]

I've come to the conclusion, unless someone pipes up and discusses, that Americans rabbit on about how religious and Christian they are, they refer often to their church. Yet, many conveniently own guns with the sole reason to maim and kill people, but casually forget their Christian teachings. Also, when questioned on this, they either ignore it as being non important, or sidestep the issue and hope it goes away.

Dick does this all the time in his broken English style, or uses copy and paste which says nothing.

Dick, I would buy a nice saddle to make it more comfortable sitting on the fence with no opinion on anything.

Col

 

[Dick7Access]

Dick you are a real puzzle, on this thread you not only talk rubbish but present it in a rubbish way, from a few posts back



there was another example but one will do and they appear throughout the thread, its as though you don't read what you type, it goes beyond the odd typo and spelling.

However on the Tattoo thread you talk complete sense, ie you agree with me, and guess what, its clearly presented.

I have come to the conclusion that the thought of guns blows your mind.

Brian

Brian,

Brian,
I concede, you got me, I really should proof read better. This is not an excuse and I haven’t mentioned any of this before as I don’t like excuses, but this is why it happens. First, both my hands are constantly numb, so I have trouble hitting the right keys. Secondly I have diabetes and my eyes are failing so that doesn’t help. Third I have three computers and depending which one I am using it may or not have a spell checker. Fourth I often type these things out on the fly, and don’t have a lot of time. This is being typed out on my computer that doesn’t have a spell checker on the forum so to be meticulous I have to type out in word and then cut and paste into the thread. Fifth, I try to spend three hours a day with my wife at the rehab hospital and I am constantly interrupted by her and the staff to help them with their computer problems. Six, just because you consider something rubbish it doesn’t mean that myself or others consider it rubbish. Seven, sometimes Col throws rubbish at me and I intentionally throw rubbish back. (Example) Col tries to insinuate that myself, and people in our religious group take kids to summer camps, outings, out to eat, that there is something sinister going on. I am not going to dignify that with a rebuttal. Eight, I am sure that we see things differently. (Example) in previous post to this one Col sees me as sidestepping something. I went back over it and I don’t see what I sidestepped, so how can I possible answer it. Nine, you are absolutely right, I would rather die than give up more of my freedom, be it guns or any other liberty. There is more that I would like to add but we just finished working on the RV and I have to take a shower and get to a meeting. Again, not an excuse, I will try and proof read better.
(ps. Grammar and spelling is never been my strong suit. In college my grades suffered because of it. When sending out important correspondence I have my wife proof read it.)