Gun laws do they work

[dan-cat]

15 years service and never firing on patrol in the line of duty is a long time.

So in order to be properly experienced you need to have used your firearm extensively in public ?!? Is this what is required for all wannabe 'gunslingers'?!?!

Total separation from reality.

 

[Fifty2One]

Total disconnect indeed. I was mentioning that people operating a firearm be sufficiently trained, which would also include recurrent training for firearm operators.
I really think it would be foolish to follow what you are suggesting and have law enforcement practice on the streets such as 'gunslingers' of days long past.

So in order to be properly experienced you need to have used your firearm extensively in public ?!? Is this what is required for all wannabe 'gunslingers'?!?!

Total separation from reality.

 

[Dick7Access]

Total disconnect indeed. I was mentioning that people operating a firearm be sufficiently trained, which would also include recurrent training for firearm operators.
I really think it would be foolish to follow what you are suggesting and have law enforcement practice on the streets such as 'gunslingers' of days long past.

Hey Motorcycle Buddy,
Correct me if I am wrong, but don’t a lot of police academies have just such moving targets, or am I watching too many Clint Eastwood movies

 

[Brianwarnock]

Total disconnect indeed. I was mentioning that people operating a firearm be sufficiently trained, which would also include recurrent training for firearm operators.
I really think it would be foolish to follow what you are suggesting and have law enforcement practice on the streets such as 'gunslingers' of days long past.

Don't Canadians understand sarcasm.

Brian

 

[Vassago]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Jackso...sted/-/475880/16407370/-/duvcymz/-/index.html

A 50 year old man shot an armed suspect holding up a dollar store close to my house this week. He had a concealed weapons permit and his gun was licensed to him. There were two armed robbers and one of them dropped their gun immediately. The other refused and went to use it, he was shot and died. If someone pointing a far superior weapon at you doesn't make you think twice about keeping your weapon in your hand, you must be a special kind of idiot.

If guns were outlawed, these criminals could have easily harmed innocent people. Because this brave civilian was armed, he was able to prevent any innocent bystanders from being harmed by someone obviously looking to cause it by not dropping his weapon.

 

[Dick7Access]

Dick,

Please remember the state trooper's family that got killed here (WV) on Tues. night. also another trooper was shot and barely hanging on to life, a deputy sheriff that was shot and a tow truck driver that was shot. This was a horrible tragedy for our community and state. Little did that trooper know when he left for work that day that before the day was over he would be in eternity....he was a Christian. Also pray for the family of the young man who shot all of these folks, he was eventually killed. Our world is a very dangerous place anymore.....you never know what nut you are going to come in contact with.

Thank you,
Charlotte

 

[dan-cat]

The other refused and went to use it, he was shot and died. If someone pointing a far superior weapon at you doesn't make you think twice about keeping your weapon in your hand, you must be a special kind of idiot.

It's incredible even after the example at the Empire State building that people still hold on to this bizarre logic. The member of public caused the standoff and the resulting gunfire. No bullets were fired until he pulled the gun on the criminal. If nine people had been shot in the resulting melee, would it have been worth it?

If guns were outlawed, these criminals could have easily harmed innocent people. Because this brave civilian was armed, he was able to prevent any innocent bystanders from being harmed by someone obviously looking to cause it by not dropping his weapon.

And yet the cops at the Empire State building were armed and nine people were shot. He put the innocent bystanders at greater risk by forcing the standoff and the resulting gunfire.

 

[dan-cat]

Total disconnect indeed. I was mentioning that people operating a firearm be sufficiently trained, which would also include recurrent training for firearm operators.
I really think it would be foolish to follow what you are suggesting and have law enforcement practice on the streets such as 'gunslingers' of days long past.

This is what you said and what I was responding to.

15 years service and never firing on patrol in the line of duty is a long time

The implication was clear, they hadn't had enough 'live' practice.

 

[dan-cat]

Dick,

Please remember the state trooper's family that got killed here (WV) on Tues. night. also another trooper was shot and barely hanging on to life, a deputy sheriff that was shot and a tow truck driver that was shot. This was a horrible tragedy for our community and state. Little did that trooper know when he left for work that day that before the day was over he would be in eternity....he was a Christian. Also pray for the family of the young man who shot all of these folks, he was eventually killed. Our world is a very dangerous place anymore.....you never know what nut you are going to come in contact with.

Thank you,
Charlotte

I'm not sure how this supports the 'gun-nut' club. To me, it describes the misery their use can cause.

 

[Vassago]

It's incredible even after the example at the Empire State building that people still hold on to this bizarre logic. The member of public caused the standoff and the resulting gunfire. No bullets were fired until he pulled the gun on the criminal. If nine people had been shot in the resulting melee, would it have been worth it?

And yet the cops at the Empire State building were armed and nine people were shot. He put the innocent bystanders at greater risk by forcing the standoff and the resulting gunfire.

Obviously, this private civilian was better trained than the Empire State Building Homeland Security Officers that were on duty. You never open fire in a public place with tons of people around, period. That's just stupid. This civilian was in an empty store with a clerk and two thugs. His odds of harming someone innocent were drastically lower. I'm sure if the thugs were surrounded by innocent bystanders, he would have played a different move.

 

[Dick7Access]

I'm not sure how this supports the 'gun-nut' club. To me, it describes the misery their use can cause.

No. 1 it was trying to prove that us gun nuts are right. It was posted as an example that there is people out there that want to do us harm. Now if you think that taking away my guns is going to help that situation, than by all means do what you can to bring that about, and if there are enough of you that believe that you can bring it about. If you are sincere about it, I would not even think evil of you. I on the other hand I feel very strongly that taking the guns away from the law abiding citizen would make the matter very worse, so I take the advice that I give you to myself and work very hard to not lose the right to my gun.

 

[Dick7Access]

I'm not sure how this supports the 'gun-nut' club. To me, it describes the misery their use can cause.

No. 1 it was trying to prove that us gun nuts are right. It was posted as an example that there is people out there that want to do us harm. Now if you think that taking away my guns is going to help that situation, than by all means do what you can to bring that about, and if there are enough of you that believe that you can bring it about. If you are sincere about it, I would not even think evil of you. I on the other hand feel very strongly that taking the guns away from the law abiding citizen would make the matter very worse, so I take the advice that I give you to myself and work very hard to not lose the right to my gun.

 

[Brianwarnock]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Jackso...sted/-/475880/16407370/-/duvcymz/-/index.html

A 50 year old man shot an armed suspect holding up a dollar store close to my house this week. He had a concealed weapons permit and his gun was licensed to him. There were two armed robbers and one of them dropped their gun immediately. The other refused and went to use it, he was shot and died. If someone pointing a far superior weapon at you doesn't make you think twice about keeping your weapon in your hand, you must be a special kind of idiot.

If guns were outlawed, these criminals could have easily harmed innocent people. Because this brave civilian was armed, he was able to prevent any innocent bystanders from being harmed by someone obviously looking to cause it by not dropping his weapon.

This post strikes me as a little naive what if both criminals had just fired at the civilian, who knows what the result would have been, just because he got away with it doesn't mean it's right , in fact it justifies my comment in post 228

I also don't understand the crazy USlaw that is saying the second guy who put his weapon down will face a murder charge!!!

Glad I live in a civilised country.

Not been here for a while but having read this thread all I can say is that if I were a criminal in America I would go armed, I would shoot first and steal after, might as well risk ending on death row as being shot by trigger happy gunslingers.

Brian

Violence begets violence, you should be trying to get guns off the streets not introducing more, not going to be easy in the US where devout Christians like Dick and Bob think its ok to take a life.

Brian

 

[The_Doc_Man]

The problem, in almost every case that I have seen in the last twenty years, is that the perpetrator found a way to get weapons despite there being some barriers. The case in Port Arthur is exceptional in that there were fewer barriers.

I see this as a dichotomy. In those cases where the gun is used in a crime of opportunity, making it harder to have guns decreases the damage done but does not often prevent the crime. Where the crime is one of passion building over a period of time, barriers to getting guns doesn't stop someone from getting guns.

Crazy people who think that guns solve everything just prove they are crazy. Yet guns do solve legitimate problems when used for sport or hunting. As always, it is the problem that people blame the technology when it is the abuse of that technology that is the real issue. And then they try to restrict that technology rather than address the problems of society that lead to the abuse.

Shoot (if you'll pardon the expression), I'd just as soon carry an unlicensed nuclear accelerator in my back-pack a la' Ghostbusters. Just don't ask me to cross streams with you...

 

[dan-cat]

I'm sure if the thugs were surrounded by innocent bystanders, he would have played a different move.

You have zero proof of that.

There has been ample proof provided on this thread that both armed civilians and police do open fire when surrounded by innocent bystanders.

 

[dan-cat]

No. 1 it was trying to prove that us gun nuts are right. It was posted as an example that there is people out there that want to do us harm.

I know what it was trying to prove and I'm describing what it illustrated to me.

As Brian succinctly put it. "Violence begets violence". It astounds me that this basic principle of civility is completely lost on you.

 

[dan-cat]

As always, it is the problem that people blame the technology when it is the abuse of that technology that is the real issue. And then they try to restrict that technology rather than address the problems of society that lead to the abuse.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. If the cops at the Empire state building were armed with batons, how many people would have been hit with 'friendly fire'.

There will always be criminals. It is the continuing escalation of the technology that both criminals and civilians feel is required that is causing the increased casualties.

Shoot (if you'll pardon the expression), I'd just as soon carry an unlicensed nuclear accelerator in my back-pack a la' Ghostbusters. Just don't ask me to cross streams with you...

Once these become affordable I'm sure Dick will be hankering for one. The increased casualty count:trigger pull ratio will be too hard to resist.

 

[dan-cat]

Violence begets violence, you should be trying to get guns off the streets not introducing more, not going to be easy in the US where devout Christians like Dick and Bob think its ok to take a life.

Brian

This is the part that is so worrying. They have no idea that they are trading in all their 'Christian principles' for 'If you can't beat them, join them'.

It's like a grotesque version of Anakin Skywalker being seduced by the dark side.

 

[Vassago]

I also don't understand the crazy USlaw that is saying the second guy who put his weapon down will face a murder charge!!!

Why is that a bad thing? If someone dies in the process of committing a crime, why shouldn't they be charged? If the crime wasn't in progress, he wouldn't have died. I think that's pretty evident.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Surely once he had put his gun down he had ceased to commit the crime, he had surrendered, given up, call it what you will, then the civilian shot the other guy, how can he be guilty?

If two guys are committing a crime and one kills somebody sure both should be charged, although again if in the above situation if one had demonstrated his willingness to stop I doubt that a sane jury, say one not in the US, would find him guilty.

Brian