Lets Stop George Bush before he Destroys the Whole Planet Earth.

[dan-cat]

There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination...

Wow awesome... when do we leave?

 

[KenHigg]

Wow awesome... when do we leave?

I think you need a one-way ticket to Essex, or Plymouth England

 

[dan-cat]

I think you need a one-way ticket to Essex, or Plymouth England

Don't sound like a bad idea, maybe I could help out with the softening up process of those terror suspects they picked up today

 

[KenHigg]

Don't sound like a bad idea, maybe I could help out with the softening up process of those terror suspects they picked up today

Did they actually find any bombs or anything like that?

 

[Brianwarnock]

I think you need a one-way ticket to Plymouth England

Isn't that where you all started from? Hey! maybe that explains why Rich and you guys get on so well



brian

 

[dan-cat]

Did they actually find any bombs or anything like that?

Here's the latest info from a British perspective. Looks like they're certain they've found explosives in people's properties. Not actually at any airport though.

 

[ColinEssex]

I think I finally understand Colin and Rich.

We are gradually educating you into the real world.

The strategy is to just keep throwing crap until the other side gives up in frustration and goes away. Then you declare victory.

There's no "victory" - its not a war. Rich and I are merely trying to get you to understand and see things from a perspective outside the USA - its how the world views you - from outside. Despite you having a "world series" of 2 countries, there is actually more than 2.

The issue we were discussing was whether there are any highly paid black people here (someone said “ask one”, you asked “are there any?” which carries an implication that you don’t think there are).

so how many high profile blacks are there? apart from Oprah, Condo and Sammy Davis Jnr

I provided anecdotal evidence that there are, using a common catchphrase, and rather than examine the issue, you latch onto the phrase and question the education system. How is that not sidestepping the issue?

a common catchphrase oh I see, I thought you were serious it just seemed an odd thing to say

Then you say:
“The general Hollywood and TV trend is to show pimps and drug barons as predominately black. Some are white - true. But that is one reason as to why you may apparently see so many Mercs etc being driven by blacks.”

I’m not really sure what you meant, but the implication is that the blacks driving Mercs are either pimps or drug barons.

There you go again, you see you're not reading the posts correctly. Pimps and drug barons are shown as predominately black. That is one reason you may apparently see so many Mercs being driven by blacks. So there are other reasons too.

Then the real beauty is that you take my obviously sarcastic statement that “all blacks…” and imply that I’m actually classing all black people that way.

er - when you say "all blacks", it does indicate you mean "all" If I said a ship sank and all lives were lost - I wouldn't mean just a few lives were lost.


Col

 

[ColinEssex]

Don't think that was my point. Using M.A.S.H. as your defense, doesn't fly with me.

Now, tell me again, why you were thoughtless enough to make fun of a metal given to wounded war veterans.

I'm intrigued as to why you call it "metal", you've done it twice now.
Anyway, if a medal is given to most people (in this case soldiers), it becomes less of an honour and more of an expectation. We have the Victoria Cross as a bravery medal - very very rare to get one, so those that do are very honoured, you must have similar. Pointing out that Americans have made fun of it [purple heart] was merely showing that perhaps - just perhaps - its not treated so reverently as you appear to treat it.

You see, in the UK, we make fun of virtually everything, I can't think of anything (quickly) that could be exempt, yet its just a laugh. It doesn't lessen its meaning. It appears that if it is applied to anything American, then its a major issue.

Oh, yea, it was the drugs you take so you can party longer.

Well done, you read a post correctly Purple hearts were drugs widely available in the late 60's in London, is there a problem with that?

Col

 

[Bodisathva]

We have the Victoria Cross as a bravery medal - very very rare to get one, so those that do are very honoured, you must have similar.

We do, it's called the Congressional Medal of Honor. The Purple Heart is something different. The Purple Heart is indeed awarded to anyone wounded in the line of duty, usually regardless of the manner in which they were wounded or the severity. The CMH on the other hand requires some act of bravery or honor which is above and beyond the line of duty, as a result, PH honorees are much more prolific than the CMH.

You see, in the UK, we make fun of virtually everything, I can't think of anything (quickly) that could be exempt, yet its just a laugh. It doesn't lessen its meaning. It appears that if it is applied to anything American, then its a major issue.

I think you just struck pay-dirt. It's semantics. You can apply your observations at the Administration, but they should not trickle down to us peons. You can make an observation about Hollywood, but don't apply that to the general population...capisce?

Purple hearts were drugs widely available in the late 60's in London, is there a problem with that?

Are still available here, but mostly used by long haul truck drivers as the recreational substances have become a bit more exotic over the years.

 

[ColinEssex]

Are still available here, but mostly used by long haul truck drivers as the recreational substances have become a bit more exotic over the years.

I'm not sure if its available here these days. Some parties I went to in London in the late 60's, there would be little containers, like sugar bowls - each one had different "tablets" in each. Purple Hearts, LSD, various uppers, various downers. I never tried LSD although I was tempted because of its high "rock n roll" usage profile. All I needed to do was stay awake so I could go to work the next day.

Col

 

[ShaneMan]

I'm intrigued as to why you call it "metal", you've done it twice now. Col

Nothing more than a brain fart, but thanks for not jumping all over it. There's something about typing that causes my wires to get crossed. Almost everytime I got to type 'also', it comes out 'aslo'. I didn't notice that was what I was typing but thanks again for not running with it.

Anyway, if a medal is given to most people (in this case soldiers), it becomes less of an honour and more of an expectation. We have the Victoria Cross as a bravery medal - very very rare to get one, so those that do are very honoured, you must have similar. Pointing out that Americans have made fun of it [purple heart] was merely showing that perhaps - just perhaps - its not treated so reverently as you appear to treat it.Col

I think Bodi did a good job of replying to this one.

You see, in the UK, we make fun of virtually everything, I can't think of anything (quickly) that could be exempt, yet its just a laugh. It doesn't lessen its meaning. It appears that if it is applied to anything American, then its a major issue. Col

I can't speak for all of America, but that would be some what foreign to the way I was raised. I said, a couple of days ago, that my Dad was in the Army (101st Airbourne) and I was taught that there are things in life that have respect and honor attached to it and those things are to be left like that, so poking fun of them would not be allowed. I guess I'm a product of my upbringing cause I still hold to this. There have been presidents that I really didn't care too much for and did not agree with some of the things they were doing but I still watched my respect level because of the office they held. I guess I would have to say the same for brother. While he was in the Army there was one president in particular that I know he did not agree with but yet I never heard my brother run him down or make fun of him. I know I have to be in the minority cause T.V. here, seems to take about anyone in office, including the president, and use them as the brunt of their jokes. Not saying anyone is right or wrong, it's just for me, it's something I won't do.

Well done, you read a post correctly Purple hearts were drugs widely available in the late 60's in London, is there a problem with that?
Col

See, I do pay attention.....sometimes. I'll leave the rest of it alone cause honestly, I was just using it to dig. Probably would have been a better idea to leave it alone.

 

[ColinEssex]

Nothing more than a brain fart, but thanks for not jumping all over it. There's something about typing that causes my wires to get crossed. Almost everytime I got to type 'also', it comes out 'aslo'. I didn't notice that was what I was typing but thanks again for not running with it.

There's no point is "running with it". I make typos as do we all.

I think Bodi did a good job of replying to this one.

He did indeed

I can't speak for all of America, but that would be some what foreign to the way I was raised. . . . . . . . . . . .

I was raised to respect people, and I do to a certain extent. They have to (in my eyes) earn it though, being a President is not enough - I respected Clinton but Bush is a tit. I spent an hour or so chatting with Paul McCartney once, many people disrespect him, I respect him but will still take the piss if the need arises. Like I said, its just a laugh.

See, I do pay attention.....sometimes. I'll leave the rest of it alone cause honestly, I was just using it to dig.

You mean you were just winding me up????? gosh, I would never have guessed. . . . . . . . (try to be more subtle )

Have a good weekend Shane - new topics next week????

Col

 

[ShaneMan]

Have a good weekend Shane - new topics next week????
Col

You do the same and be thinking about a good new topic and we'll get another week started.

 

[Rich]

The Purple Heart is indeed awarded to anyone wounded in the line of duty, usually regardless of the manner in which they were wounded or the severity.

I see, so if somebody shoots theirself in the foot they get a medal, Bush must have cupboards full of 'em

 

[Rich]

my Dad was in the Army (101st Airbourne)

What a pity that the memory of the stout defenders of Bastogne have been tarnished since

 

[Rich]

Here's a deal for you - Stop insulting our president

We don't have to, he is an insult

 

[Rich]

I'll give you a 'fer instance:My ex-wife worked with a woman who was collecting welfare, foodstamps, the whole nine-yards for not only herself and her three kids, but her non-employed, non-motivated husband as well. They came to the conclusion, and calculations supported it, that if they had one more child, their income would be raised to the point that she would no longer have to work. She got pregnant and just before the birth, she quit her job, never to even attempt to become gainfully employed since (had more kids, though )

Now, I'm not implying that all recipients are like that, but it goes to prove a point.

I can quote exactly the same argument for people like that in my own country, however lumping a whole race together and branding them scroungers isn't acceptable or proof that they simply don't want to work.
If they can get more staying at home then there's something wrong with your wage/taxation structure.

 

[Rich]

I'm pretty sure this was intended as a joke, but it actually sums the matter up nicely. It's about context.

M.A.S.H. was a show about the absurdities of war. The whole point was using comedy to cleverly make statements about the military. In that context, poking fun at the Purple Heart makes sense (for example, pointing out that bravery and sacrifice do not necessarily equate to being wounded or killed and vice versa). But it doesn't do anything to degrade the bravery and sacrifice of those who received the Purple Heart, even if some of the recipients may not have been as deserving as others.

Colin's comments have no such context, they are simply degrading.

If one is given the same medal for a slight graze on the arm as say to one losing a limb then there isn't much merit in the medal in the first place

 

[Bodisathva]

I can quote exactly the same argument for people like that in my own country, however lumping a whole race together and branding them scroungers isn't acceptable or proof that they simply don't want to work.

Who said anything about race? The sloth in question was white trash...you assumed they were black.

And now we know how the argument spirals.

 

[ColinEssex]

Who said anything about race? The sloth in question was white trash...you assumed they were black.

Where does Rich assume they are black?

Col