Lets Stop George Bush before he Destroys the Whole Planet Earth.

[ShaneMan]

The strategy is to just keep throwing shiite until the other side gives up in frustration and goes away. Then you declare victory​

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That was excellent, Bodi. I just about fell out of my chair laughing at this.

 

[ShaneMan]

DocMan,

I was going to reply to one of your post and say "yea, what he said," but then I read another then another so now I'm not going to quote any of them I'm just going to make a blanket statement and say "yea to all of them." In my opinion, what you have said is spot on and well said. Good job.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Are the mid-term elections an opportunity for American people to vote in some other senators who may put up some resistance to Mr Bush and his ideas?

Decidedly yes, there is that opportunity. Some of our newspapers and TV shows are discussing many cases where specific seats are in jeopardy such that the Republicans might lose the majority in one of the houses of Congress. Actually, it is in exactly such situations that our government works best. When people are FORCED to compromise in order to get something passed through Congress, they have to stop their excessive slanting of those laws in their favor. That is the way the USA is supposed to work - via compromise. When one party has both houses of Congress AND the president, compromise isn't needed. That is why you see so much in the way of extreme decisions.

I'm seriously considering voting for a couple of Democrats for congress this time because some of the folks we have there now are just rubber-stampers.

 

[Kraj]

Personally, I think Rich suffers from delusions of grandeur in a clinical sense. I think he truly is mystified as to why we don't see things his way and is literally incapable of comprehending the concept that he might possibly be incorrect.

This manifests as what others observe to be sarcasm, side-stepping, grand generalizations, hypocrisy, etc., when in his mind it is a perfectly logical and reasonable progression of thought. For example, no matter how many insults he slings at someone (either directly or by implication, the latter being his overwhelming preference) he honestly believes he is wronged when somone insults him. This pattern (eg., engaging in a certain negative behavior, complaining when another person behaives the same way, and finally failing to understand how the two behaviors are equivalent) repeats itself over and over in a near-Shakespearean comedy of errors.

That's why I stopped when I caught myself responding to the problems in Rich's post. He's not stubborn, or a jerk, or closed-minded, or uncaring; he just doesn't understand. You may as well try to explain the difference between red and blue to a person who was born blind.

Colin is a completely different story. I'm pretty sure he just feels constantly bombarded by crap that originates in the U.S., especially since Blair is basically an amplifier/repeater for it. Therefore, it helps him feel better to fire right back.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

So we're on a loser either way. You can waste your vote by voting for a lesser party who has no hope of power, or just not vote at all.

That's very similar to the problem we had between Mr. Bush and Mr. Dole in 2000. The worst case of same was for Governor of Louisiana a couple of decades ago, when we had Edwin Edwards (Dem) and David Duke (Rep) as our runoff choices after the general election. So our choices were a known crook and a known bigot.

EE would have screwed us (actually, DID screw us) by funneling money to his own pocket, depriving many voters of the benefits of money that should have gone to their aid. DD would have chased business away from our state because of his racist posture.

Eventually, DD got arrested for tax fraud and EE got arrested for public malfeasance while in office. EE is still in jail. DD might be out now, but I've lost track of him.

This is the negative aspect of our system. And, if I may infer from between the lines in your comments, your own UK system has this same failing. When it comes to public office, you rarely get what you want or what you deserve. Instead, you get what you settle for.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

For example, there seems to be alot of emphasis on how Florida votes for the Prez - more emphasis than say on a "lesser" state?? why is that?

One big issue with Florida is that many people go there to retire due to its climate. (No snow up to your ... belt-buckle ... during the winter months.) As such, its population comes from many other areas, thus broadening the diversity of said population. This makes it a better cross-section of the continuum of American voters. I.e. it is a microcosm of the USA.

Other issues might apply as well, but I think the diversity of the population is a big deal. Also, since GWB's brother Jeb Bush is the state's governor, there is a component of "loyalty" for GWB through Jeb. A loss of loyalty to Jeb would signal a loss of loyalty to GWB - and vice versa.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Standard American response to legitimate criticism, wheel out the standard "anti American" diatribe.

Sorry, Rich, that tactic won't fly with me. I have refuted you so you retreat to an implication that I used argumentum ad hominem against you. Nope. I merely denied that your generalization was valid. I then gave you the "out" that you could have gotten that faulty generalization from slanted news reporting as a source.

Remember, news organizations that report "ho-hum" news get bought out by those who like sensationalism. So OF COURSE you will see all the bad things. What you FAIL to realize is that our system allows that to happen (to call attention to bad things) so that we can try to correct it. When we find corruption, when we realize that Mr. XYZ is a crook, when we find waste in our government, the news media have an obligation to report it so that we can vote out the scoundrels.

But you appear (from what I can see of your comments) to believe that any problem you see on the news is wide-spread. In fact, such news items are the exception rather than the rule.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Thanks for your vote of confidence, ShaneMan

 

[MrsGorilla]

Thanks for your vote of confidence, ShaneMan

You've got my vote too, Doc Man. I don't jump into the political discussions much any more. Got tired of spinning my wheels and going nowhere.

 

[Brianwarnock]

You've got my vote too, Doc Man. I don't jump into the political discussions much any more. Got tired of spinning my wheels and going nowhere.

I'm surprised that anybody from across the pond still bothers to argue with Rich, as I've said on a previous thread he doesn't just move the goal posts but the whole damn stadium. I too don't contribute anymore as the anti American slant/rant creeps in everywhere. I think that he should rent a Harley and tour the States meeting ordinary folk he might learn a thing or two.

No doubt he going to tell me he has met many Americans but he still has a narrow jaundiced view.

Brian

 

[MrsGorilla]

I'm surprised that anybody from across the pond still bothers to argue with Rich, as I've said on a previous thread he doesn't just move the goal posts but the whole damn stadium. I too don't contribute anymore as the anti American slant/rant creeps in everywhere. I think that he should rent a Harley and tour the States meeting ordinary folk he might learn a thing or two.

No doubt he going to tell me he has met many Americans but he still has a narrow jaundiced view.

Brian

I knew I liked you for a reason.

 

[Brianwarnock]

I knew I liked you for a reason.

I don't know what to say, I'm flattered.

Brian

 

[ShaneMan]

I'm surprised that anybody from across the pond still bothers to argue with Rich, as I've said on a previous thread he doesn't just move the goal posts but the whole damn stadium.

Ok, that's two good laughs I got from this thread, today. This was a good one Brian.

I too don't contribute anymore as the anti American slant/rant creeps in everywhere. I think that he should rent a Harley and tour the States meeting ordinary folk he might learn a thing or two.

No doubt he going to tell me he has met many Americans but he still has a narrow jaundiced view.

Brian

I appreciate you saying so Brian. I think the differences in cultures and people is fun to explore but to be verbally beat down gets old in a hurry. There are times that I think to myself, that I would really like to get to know some of the customs, saying and things that make up Great Britian, but you can't even go two post in without it getting hijacked off to slam America and Americans. I have known of only one person from GB and that was my best friends Mom, when I was growing up and I thought the world of her. I knew she had ways about her that were different from anyone I had ever been around, but I enjoyed the differences. When I came here, I really thought there could be some good exchanges with folks that have sort of intrigued me for years, but I'm getting to the point of thinking that if the norm, over there, is like some of the experiences I've had here, then I really wasn't interested in getting to know anyone there. I don't mind someone disagreeing, agreeably, but this bashing, blaming, conspiracy crap is like dragging ten miles of chain.

 

[Rich]

I'm surprised that anybody from across the pond still bothers to argue with Rich, as I've said on a previous thread he doesn't just move the goal posts but the whole damn stadium. I too don't contribute anymore as the anti American slant/rant creeps in everywhere. I think that he should rent a Harley and tour the States meeting ordinary folk he might learn a thing or two.

No doubt he going to tell me he has met many Americans but he still has a narrow jaundiced view.

Brian

You've been infected with the American disease Brian, you're now resorting to personal insults too

 

[Rich]

Colin



Did the terrorists think of people's values when they ran planes into buildings? NO. Did they think about the idea that many of the people in those towers would have been happy with a live-and-let-live relationship with their countries? NO. Is there ANY way to handle terrorists other than appeasement or eradication? So far, no one has found a long-term, successful middle ground...

What the hell did the invasion of Iraq have to do with the twin towers, you bombed the crap out of Afghanistan and then buggered off to invade Iraq, both countries are now in a state of civil war.
You went off to attack Muslim countries out of revenge

Our goal is to clean things up WITHOUT forcing companies to close. Our system doesn't allow us to do that without considering the number of people we force onto the welfare and unemployment rosters. Factor that into your comments before harping too loudly on this issue.

Standard American Republican diatribe for doing nothing, why the hell shouldn't companies spend money putting right the damage they've done to the environment. The argument that spending money on protecting the environment costs jobs is nonsense, it creates jobs.

Does anyone remember the lend-lease program during WW2 when the USA gave (excuse me, "loaned" at low interest with low probability of payback) lots of stuff to our UK friends? My dad worked at the Higgins Shipyards making the cargo ships that brought the UK some of that stuff. Do you perhaps see the parallel between us sending materials to the UK and sending materials to Israel, both of whom were in a fight for their lives at the time?

Comparing Israel now with what the UK was up against during WW11 is a bloody insult. The two bear no comparison.

(excuse me, "loaned" at low interest with low probability of payback)

Loaned my ass The UK is still repaying the US for defending democracy. The US grew rich as a result of WW11 and those "loans"

Are you going to tell us that you really think we should have left it to you guys on the other side of the pond to kill the Germans for us?

Here we go, the US won the war on its own, eventually

Or perhaps we should have stopped the aid and let your government learn German. OPEN YOUR BLOODY EYES!

Oh skip the bloody "we saved you" crap, you sat on your ass for two years and only joined in when the Japs pissed on you fire.
The UK was brought to the brink of destruction by WW11, Israel is nowhere near that situation. YOU OPEN YOUR BLOODY EYES!

 

[ShaneMan]

You've been infected with the American disease Brian, you're now resorting to personal insults too

Let's see how do you say it? Something about pot...kettle...black. Your going to say you don't but you do. Remember when you were calling me ShameMan instead of ShaneMan. You were at least attempting to. I wasn't insulted but your attempt was to try and insult me. Besides you can't seem to figure out with you constant (not an exaggeration) remarks about America and Americans, these remarks are insulting and the posters on this forum are insulted and have told you so numerous times. Does stop anything cause you come back with some deflect or an excuse. Well as my Grandmother use to tell me, "excuses are like butts, everyone has one and they all stink."

 

[Rich]

Let's see how do you say it? Something about pot...kettle...black. Your going to say you don't but you do. Remember when you were calling me ShameMan instead of ShaneMan. You were at least attempting to. I wasn't insulted but your attempt was to try and insult me. Besides you can't seem to figure out with you constant (not an exaggeration) remarks about America and Americans, these remarks are insulting and the posters on this forum are insulted and have told you so numerous times. Does stop anything cause you come back with some deflect or an excuse. Well as my Grandmother use to tell me, "excuses are like butts, everyone has one and they all stink."

I attack Americanism and what it stands for, as I told you before, sticks and stones.......

 

[Rich]

...ever heard of 2 wrongs do not make a right?

Has America or Israel?

 

[Rich]

Which is WHY the USA Democratic Party isn't in power right now. They are the biggest proponents (and the ones who tend to rely most on "gratitude" from the recipients) of an extensive welfare system.

Unlike the Republicans who give huge tax rebates to the wealthy

 

[ShaneMan]

I attack Americanism and what it stands for, as I told you before, sticks and stones.......

I don't understand the "as I told you before, sticks and stones" part, cause I didn't call you anything. As far as the "I attack Americanism" part. I guess that is what you think you sound like when you do what you do, but what I hear is attack America and Americans, over and over and over again. Your right, you do attack, and attack. I just think it's a loss that you can't have the foresight to stop long enough to get to know the human beings that come to the forum, who happen to be Americans. Your choice, but I don't understand how someone can be so ate up with one subject that it's all they can think, say, or write.