what does that mean?Friday said:On November 09, 2005, Paul Harvey received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from President George W. Bush.
Thinking back on it...yes. Ian Gillan, of Deep Purple and Black Sabbath, with a new band; early 80s rock with pitch-phased voices, etc.Friday said:do you mean the music is pretty bad?
ColinEssex said:what does that mean?
or is it given to everyone, like the purple heart medal that soldiers get for cutting their finger opening a tin of beans.
Col
SJ McAbney said:Thinking back on it...yes. Ian Gillan, of Deep Purple and Black Sabbath, with a new band; early 80s rock with pitch-phased voices, etc.
Seeing that the re-released CD is going for about $75 on the Amazon marketplace I wonder how much the original vinyl in good condition would fetch. Along with all my other classic rock vinyl...e.g. Alice Cooper's School's Out in which the album cover was also a fold out desk, and all the early AC/DC stuff.
SJ McAbney said:Wonder why the CD is worth more. Probably because it carries extra tracks.
That's the funny part, all you liberals say your in the middlejsanders said:Sometimes being in the middle alloy you some leeway.
Which is exactly why they went out of their way to keep their beliefs seperate from their government. If these smart men believed that Christian morals were essential to government, why didn't they write them into the Constitution? Would you have me believe that a group of men who designed the most stable government in modern history simply couldn't conceive of a government not dictated by Christian beliefs? Mmmhmmm, sure...KenHigg said:I'm guessing that if a bunch of Christain people establish a country, it would be likely that they considered their Christain beliefs when they did up the rules.
Ummm... what, excatly, did they put the word "God" on (other than one instance of "nature's God" in the Declaration of Independence)?KenHigg said:However, seems they were a bit short-sighted when they claimed to want seperation of Church and State and then put the word 'God' all over everything...
Actually, the funny part is that when you're extremely conservative everybody except other extreme conservatives looks like a liberal. (And vice versa.)FoFa said:That's the funny part, all you liberals say your in the middle
Kraj said:Which is exactly why they went out of their way to keep their beliefs seperate from their government. If these smart men believed that Christian morals were essential to government, why didn't they write them into the Constitution? Would you have me believe that a group of men who designed the most stable government in modern history simply couldn't conceive of a government not dictated by Christian beliefs? Mmmhmmm, sure...
Fair enough, but the law doesn't suggest behavior, it dictates it. If Christians want the law to reflect Christian morals, then they want Christian morals to dictate behavior. Perhaps the framers were well aware that if they codified their beliefs (as Christians today want to do), they would be dictating.KenHigg said:Seems you're pretty much dug in on this when you twist a 'considered' into a 'dictated', etc. In which case I doubt anything substainal will come of our dialog...
Kraj said:Fair enough, but the law doesn't suggest behavior, it dictates it. If Christians want the law to reflect Christian morals, then they want Christian morals to dictate behavior. Perhaps the framers were well aware that if they codified their beliefs (as Christians today want to do), they would be dictating.
If you want Christian morals to be "considered" in the lawmaking process, then elect Christians to office and trust that they will consider their morals and make the right decision (which might not be the "Christian" one).
why not, what are you afraid of?Kenny said:do away with them for I as a Christian would not want Islamic or Buddha stuff everywhere...
FoFa said:See the seperation of church and state was brought about to keep government out of religon. As I understand it they wanted to be able to serve their God as their religon permits. They didn't want state ran churchs (Oh hail the mighty and powerful God Hillary Clinton). What it does not say is it has to keep religon out of government. Now that the problem seems to be that would be a mighty fine line, and there we have it. But I think each community should be able to handle these issue on their level. Why should a public school in the bible belt in a city with a population of 350 have to suffer because some libreral nut in LA didn't like it there? I think the swings too much in either direction are bad.
Why should a free thinker have to suffer indoctrination in the bible belt?FoFa said:Why should a public school in the bible belt in a city with a population of 350 have to suffer because some libreral nut in LA didn't like it there? I think the swings too much in either direction are bad.
That's an excellent way of expressing that. Kudos! I also agree with choices being made by communities.FoFa said:See the seperation of church and state was brought about to keep government out of religon. [...] What it does not say is it has to keep religon out of government. Now that the problem seems to be that would be a mighty fine line, and there we have it.
Aren't those the same communities that hated blacks and now hate gays too?Kraj said:That's an excellent way of expressing that. Kudos! I also agree with choices being made by communities.
They have to be given a chance to think freely though, don't they?Rich, if a person is truly a free thinker then they will continue to think freely whether or not a group around them chooses to pray. No one is being forced to pray.
Kraj said:That's an excellent way of expressing that. Kudos! I also agree with choices being made by communities.
Rich, if a person is truly a free thinker then they will continue to think freely whether or not a group around them chooses to pray. No one is being forced to pray.