Gun laws do they work

[Dick7Access]

Yes.

Regardless of the slightly convoluted phrasing of the question, the answer is yes, I do not think so - especially when they were "banging" (knocking?)on your RV but before they did anything wrong, but if you had a gun right then, no you would not have been justified in shooting them. Merely stating that you just knew they were up to no good (again, before they had done anything wrong) would be no defense against the charge of assault or homicide that you would be facing. If it were AFTER they broke your window, it would still be hard to make a plea of self defense.
This is exactly what is wrong with gun ownership.
And I'm amazed you think that a better outcome to this incident than having your insurance replace your window, would be killing these dangerous RV bangers and standing trial for manslaughter, just because, well, you know your rights and it's better to be tried than buried.
I know you're in Texas where you have a different attitude about these things, but in New York we ususally try to find out why someone is banging on our door late at night before we shoot them, if possible.

No I am not from TX. I have lived in FL for 22 years, and before that I came from RI. , but I have been in all but 6 states. I am confused by your post. I am not sure if you agree I would have been right to shoot them or not. I agree with you when I shot them would make a difference in court. The part I don't understand on the part of those on the left, is why do I have do put up with any of that. They are the ones committing a crime, they are the ones putting my life in danger, why should they not be killed?

 

[rodmc]

Would someone who wants to hone is skill at long distance firing and is not even concern with home protectionnot have the equal right , like a man who practice practice pool, tennis, chess etc.

that really doesn't answer my question though.

A hunting rifle can be used for long distance practice, yes?

So back to what I really want to know, why does any civvy need a an assault rifle?

 

[Brianwarnock]

You see Adam the question is not wither we want Americans killed. I have as much sympathy as the next person for the families of those innocent children. I truly believe in my heart that taking everybody's guns away will not only not help but actually make the situation worse. So the question should be how do we stop people from developing screwed up minds. That is a difficult question but I know the answer is not taking everybody's guns away. I however respect your right to your opinion.

So where would the looney have got the guns if only the bad people had them?

Brian

 

[SalmonDB]

You would think...but Canada has more guns per capita than the U.S and has substantially less gun crime.

I'm not sure whether or not this is accurate, but in Canada, most of the guns are rifles or shotguns and are owned by hunters and people who live in rural areas. I grew up in urban and suburban middle-class neighborhoods, and I've never known anyone who owned a handgun, let alone a semi-automatic assault rifle.

I don't think there is more petty or violent crime in Canada. I walk around Vancouver at night, and I've never felt the need to carry a weapon. I agree that it's not just gun laws that will solve the violence in the US, but I think reasonable limitations and controls on weapons and ammo is a good first step.

 

[John Big Booty]

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So back to what I really want to know, why does any civvy need a an assault rifle?

The lack of answer, would in my mind suggest that it is an indefensible position

 

[Dick7Access]

that really doesn't answer my question though.

A hunting rifle can be used for long distance practice, yes?

So back to what I really want to know, why does any civvy need a an assault rifle?

Ok, you may have me. I probable not informed enough with assault rifles. I think I was thinking high powered hunting but jut the name seems to indicate that it is something different. I will have to bone up on assault rifles before I can make an informative comment.

 

[Dick7Access]

So where would the looney have got the guns if only the bad people had them?

Brian

Brian you have to be pulling my chain.
Just in FL here where I live I could buy many guns illegally any time of the day and night. The other problem is its so hard to tell looney's before the fact. I just had a 22 year old single man from my church come and stay with me after my operation. One morning I found that he went through all my mediation including my pain mediation. I can't say for sure he took any of the controlled substance but I wasn't going to take a chance, so I sent him home and just suffered by myself. My point being that I would have never guess before time that I couldn't trust him. In most cases of the gun incidents friend and neighbors all say he seems like such a nice person.

 

[Dick7Access]

So where would the looney have got the guns if only the bad people had them?

Brian

Brian,
It’s probable a good bet that the thief’s that stole these guns were going to sell them illegally. This is just one that I found on a quick search. I have read of many more over the years.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/1...leads-to-stolen-army-grenades-assault-weapon/

 

[Libre]

No I am not from TX. I have lived in FL for 22 years, and before that I came from RI. , but I have been in all but 6 states. I am confused by your post. I am not sure if you agree I would have been right to shoot them or not. I agree with you when I shot them would make a difference in court. The part I don't understand on the part of those on the left, is why do I have do put up with any of that. They are the ones committing a crime, they are the ones putting my life in danger, why should they not be killed?

No, Dick. I don't think you would have been right to shoot them, based on your account of the incident. They banged on your RV and they broke a window. You think that this behavior rises to the level that it should be met by deadly force?
When guns enter the scene, everything gets much more serious. Irrevocable things happen, with some people dying or being seriously injured, and others regretting their testosterone fueled actions for the rest of their life as they wrestle with what they have done. The "vandals" (and I'm not defending them) may have been boys or young adults. Maybe they made a mistake or maybe YOU made a mistake about their intentions. You would be okay with shooting them? I don't see any reason for you to have done anything beyond what you did - which was call the police.

 

[Rx_]

http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...olence_review?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2012-12-20
Thank Goodness we can start to ban guns in our homes where kids are using them.
To be fair, the US Vice President wants to hear from all sides before he bans these.

 

[Dick7Access]

No, Dick. I don't think you would have been right to shoot them, based on your account of the incident. They banged on your RV and they broke a window. You think that this behavior rises to the level that it should be met by deadly force?
When guns enter the scene, everything gets much more serious. Irrevocable things happen, with some people dying or being seriously injured, and others regretting their testosterone fueled actions for the rest of their life as they wrestle with what they have done. The "vandals" (and I'm not defending them) may have been boys or young adults. Maybe they made a mistake or maybe YOU made a mistake about their intentions. You would be okay with shooting them? I don't see any reason for you to have done anything beyond what you did - which was call the police.

Thank you thats pretty clear. You and I will just have to agree to disagree, but I respect your right to your opinion.

I will grant you this. If I had killed one I would probable had remorse for a long time, but would have gotten over it, but if they actually broke in and harmed my wife I am not sure I could have lived with myself for being a coward.

 

[Dick7Access]

No, Dick. I don't think you would have been right to shoot them, based on your account of the incident. They banged on your RV and they broke a window. You think that this behavior rises to the level that it should be met by deadly force?
When guns enter the scene, everything gets much more serious. Irrevocable things happen, with some people dying or being seriously injured, and others regretting their testosterone fueled actions for the rest of their life as they wrestle with what they have done. The "vandals" (and I'm not defending them) may have been boys or young adults. Maybe they made a mistake or maybe YOU made a mistake about their intentions. You would be okay with shooting them? I don't see any reason for you to have done anything beyond what you did - which was call the police.

Trying to understand your position, I just thought of sometime. At what point, presuming your married, would you use physical force?

 

[Adam Caramon]

I have as much sympathy as the next person for the families of those innocent children.

I believe that you do Dick, but the question that was posed was:

How long would it take for One Million 1,000,000 people to be killed in America because of guns.

Would any American know the answer.

And your answer was:

Does it matter?

I don't understand how it can not matter to you that so many Americans are killed by guns.

I truly believe in my heart that taking everybody's guns away will not only not help but actually make the situation worse.

First, no body is suggesting the US government ban all guns. I can bet you a billion dollars to one that that won't happen anytime in the next 50 years. Second, how can you think that taking everyone's guns away wouldn't lower the number of people that die by guns? That just defies logic.

So the question should be how do we stop people from developing screwed up minds. That is a difficult question but I know the answer is not taking everybody's guns away. I however respect your right to your opinion.

I don't think it is possible to stop people from developing screwed up minds. There is no magic pill that will make everything all better for everyone. And if there was, I'm sure it would be very expensive, and therefore out of the reach of the majority of people.

Read up on assault weapons when you have a chance. Read up on the assault weapon ban that was in effect during President Clinton's term. Then explain to me why it shouldn't be made permanent.

 

[Dick7Access]

I believe that you do Dick, but the question that was posed was:


Read up on assault weapons when you have a chance. Read up on the assault weapon ban that was in effect during President Clinton's term. Then explain to me why it shouldn't be made permanent.

I have already concede that point.

 

[Libre]

Trying to understand your position, I just thought of sometime. At what point, presuming your married, would you use physical force?

I would use physical force to defend myself or my wife as a last resort if I thought it was necessary, not just because I imagined my wife might possibly be in danger because somebody banged on my RV.

 

[Dick7Access]

Trying to understand your position, I just thought of sometime. At what point, presuming your married, would you use physical force?

I just thought of something else I would like to ask you. I don’t recall if you took a position one way or the other on the radio station / nurse prank. Some however felt that the radio station DJ were guilty of murder or at least contributed to the nurse’s death. If these hoodlums had caused my wife to have a heart attack and die, would they be guilty of murder. I personally would rather spent the rest of my live in prison than let that happened.

 

[ChrisO]

Data from:-
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011


Extract from:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2011/sep/27/gun-crime-map-statistics


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In California in 2011 there were 1,790 homicides, 68% involved guns
Gun crime: how the state compares per 100,000 pop

State US average
3.25 2.75
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In Texas in 2011 there were 1,089 homicides, 64% involved guns

Gun crime: how the state compares per 100,000 pop

State US average
2.91 2.75
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In Hawaii in 2011 there were 7 homicides, 14% involved guns

Gun crime: how the state compares per 100,000 pop

State US average
0.07 2.75
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Premise:
Certainly statistics can be made to lie but, if they are a lie, one would have to blame the FBI.
The FBI should not be expected to lie or get the statistics wrong.
The statistics are based on the same country ruling out possible country variation.
The statistics are based on state variation.
The statistics vary considerably.

Questions about this matter:
What then makes Hawaii different from the other two states?
Is it worthwhile for Hawaii to be different from the other two states?
Is it worthwhile for other states to be different from Hawaii?


Personal comment about this matter:
Your country claims to be the United States of America but you are not united.
Your country continues to leave itself open to internal attack.
Your country is being internally attacked at the state level because that is the soft underbelly.

If your country suffered that many casualties in another country you would go to war with that country but you seem to be incapable of going to war with yourselves.

Chris.

 

[Dick7Access]

I would use physical force to defend myself or my wife as a last resort if I thought it was necessary, not just because I imagined my wife might possibly be in danger because somebody banged on my RV.

Then we agree. I wasn't about to wait until they lit the match and said well I guess they really are going to set us on fire. There was no imagination. We feared for our lives. Of course I understand it would be hard for you to completely identified with the sistuation as you were not there to be awake out of a sound sleep. You weren't three to hear them trying to pry compartments open. You may not know what it is like to get a hand-cap person out of an RV with a lift, it take some time just to rig it. Again you may not be up in age without the physical strength to use other means. I will guarantee you this your adrenalin would have been working overtime.

 

[Adam Caramon]

Here's an article that hits on a lot of good points:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/20/opinion/waldman-guns-manhood/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

 

[Dick7Access]

Data from:-

Personal comment about this matter:
Your country claims to be the United States of America but you are not united.
Your country continues to leave itself open to internal attack.
Your country is being internally attacked at the state level because that is the soft underbelly.
Chris.

How true, how true