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I noticed on the BBC news that there are still gas powered street lamps in New Orleans - I know Scotland and the North of England is still in a 40's time warp but it does have some electricity.

Col

Well I know that the Yanks are in a time warp in many respects, especially in it's adherence to an old out of date scrap of paper, I'm afraid gas lighting isn't one of them. They're often installed here when somebody want's to maintain the aura of a long gone era, mainly for tourists I suspect;)
 
Who actually said he did it in 4 hours?? A half day could easily be up to 6 hours which would be an average under 60mph. Lets not be so picky. :)
Half a day is less than four hours in my working day:p
 
I noticed on the BBC news that there are still gas powered street lamps in New Orleans - I know Scotland and the North of England is still in a 40's time warp but it does have some electricity.

Col

For your information Eigg got electricity this year! That'll be Scotland bang up to date with the rest of the country then :D

Of course, they are having problems getting the gas lamps to work from electricy, but that'll get fixed in no time, I have faith in technology :D :D
 
Half a day is less than four hours in my working day:p

If we are going to start getting picky, where did Doc mention a working day? A half day is 12 hours.

As for the speed limit it varies, I've seen at 60 70 75 on the freeways and when I drove in Montana, a decade ago now so it may well have changed , it was derestricted for light vehicles in daylight, we hit cruise control at 100mph and stayed there for a little over an hour.

brian
 
But if you do 360 miles, you'll still need a rest / fag break. Is that counted in the equasion? There's no way women can go more than about 1hr 30 mins without a loo break to powder their noses.

For your information Eigg got electricity this year! That'll be Scotland bang up to date with the rest of the country then

Only for electricity perhaps. What about tarmac roads or telephones?

Col
 
Only for electricity perhaps. What about tarmac roads or telephones?

Col

Oh for goodness sake speak English laddie! What exactly do you mean by tarmac? What is a telephone??? ;)
 
Oh for goodness sake speak English laddie! What exactly do you mean by tarmac? What is a telephone??? ;)

Actually, wasn't tarmac invented by some Scottish geezer? McTar or something.

Col
 
Tarr MacIntosh, he was actually half Cornish, hence the name Tarr...

(sorry had to edit that from McIntish to MacIntosh, othewise he'd have been Irish :D
 
Actually, wasn't tarmac invented by some Scottish geezer? McTar or something.

Col
John MacAdam devised a way of building roads with larger stones at the bottom and progressively smaller stones to build the surface. This worked for horse drawn traffic but needed to be treated with tar to hold it together for motor transport.
 
John MacAdam devised a way of building roads with larger stones at the bottom and progressively smaller stones to build the surface. This worked for horse drawn traffic but needed to be treated with tar to hold it together for motor transport.

Ha! And he wasn't a Roman he was a Scot! :D
 
Its not like over here, if the speed limit is 70 you average 70, for the most part, atleast that's my experience over there.

Brian

If you go the speed limit here, you get run over.

Between LA and AL the speed limit varies but average speeds can get up near 80 MPH.

There are few chances to stop on the Interstate between the 2 and a stop can take less than 5 minutes if you're motivated.
 
There are few chances to stop on the Interstate between the 2 and a stop can take less than 5 minutes if you're motivated.

I'm guessing that depends on the nature of your stop :eek: What's the point in stopping if you're not going to fill up on caffiene? You can't drive away with it because then you spill it and end up in a legal dispute because the Starbucks guy believed you when you said your wanted hot coffee :D
 
Like I said, there are few opportunities to stop along the way. Typically, I've stuck to the state run rest areas. You can go to the "loo" and get coffee in less than 5 minutes.
 
Like I said, there are few opportunities to stop along the way. Typically, I've stuck to the state run rest areas. You can go to the "loo" and get coffee in less than 5 minutes.

Do you get a lot of people running out of gas? I know you have these huge 6 - 8 ltr engines but do they hold enough to get you from one gas station to the next?
 
The typical gas tank holds up to 300 miles worth of petrol when driving on the highway in a flat place like I-10 in LA, MS, AL.
 
Do you get a lot of people running out of gas? I know you have these huge 6 - 8 ltr engines but do they hold enough to get you from one gas station to the next?

My Mondeo estate will do 400+ miles on a tankful.

Col
 
I'm still on the motel shared computer, can't do more than a quick check-in.

In summer at 30 degrees N, our daylight period still runs a bit over 12 hours. In the absence of heavy traffic and if you don't have to make too many stops, you can follow U.S. Interstate 59 south from Bessemer AL to a little place called Slidell LA on the north shore of Lake Ponchartrain, then transfer to I-10 to move to the south shore and eventually to the house in Metairie LA.

At 70 mph interstate speeds, using cruise control, and allowing for a lunch break and a couple of short potty breaks, that comes to 6 hours, maybe 6 1/2. So just about a half a day. We haven't hit the autumnal equinox quite yet; therefore, we have more than 12 hours of daylight remaining. Not to mention that we will be going west. (Think of the novel "Around the World in 80 Days". We have extra daylight because we will be chasing the sun.)

Colin, a fair enough question about gas lamps. The gas lamps in use in the French Quarter are for the tourists. Street signs are on those lamps. We have standard mercury vapor or calcium vapor street lighting elsewhere in the city. And, truth be told, the area where you find the gas lamps has so much light spilling over from the garish advertising in each shop that you could read fine newsprint in that light, with or without the picturesque and totally impractical gas lamps.

The "real" gas lamps that we would use if it came to that are quite common in our area. They are called Wellsbach (sp?) burners, made of a cloth "mantle" (looks like a little cloth sack) soaked with a super-saturated salt solution that has been allowed to dry over a period of repeated dipping in that solution. When you light the burner, the cloth burns away but the salt, having crystallized fairly solid by that point, remains as a fragile crystal mesh. Which gets hot enough in a natural gas + air flame to glow almost white-hot. Unless you've seen one, you just don't appreciate how much light they put out. Two of my uncles had them as yard lights. So don't downplay gaslight technology.

Anyway, our plans have stabilized. My oldest stepdaughter had a business pass to enter our area to check on her employer's servers. She was no more than three miles from our house, so she checked it. We are OK, no damage except for a couple of loose branches in the front yard. We have power, we have flushable toilets, we have filtered water, we have gas in the house. We're good. So Thursday I'll pack up wifey and the mother-in-law and hit the road.

Gotta tell you, gang, I really do appreciate the show of support and my wife was touched as well. Thanks.
 
Hear that Gustav isn't as bad as expected, which is good news. Glad to know you still have a house to come back to. :)

(Not familiar with hurricane- can they suddenly turn up the heat all of sudden or is it more or less a sure thing once they lose steam?)
 
As to stopping points, I am familiar enough with the road to take care of the older women and their fragile bladders. Those who are inordinately curious could find these places on a map if they tried hard enough.

Bessemer AL >> Tuscaloosa AL (after 30 minutes) >> Toomsuba MS (after 1 hour) or Meridian MS (after 1 hours 15 min) >> Laurel MS (1 hour to 1 hour 15 min depending on previous stop) >> Hattiesburg MS (30 min) >> Slidell LA (1 hour 15 minutes to 1 hour 30 minutes depending on traffic) >> Metairie LA (30 minutes)
1/2 hr + 1 + 1 1/4 + 1 + 1/2 + 1 1/4 + 1/2 = about 6 hours.

My vehicle does 280 miles on one tank. Wifey's is close to that. Neither of us have true gas guzzlers. We're crazy Americans but we aren't stupid. We will gas up in Bessmer and again in Hattiesburg. When we get home, we will have enough left to run any necessary errands.

If our ISP is up by Thursday night, I'll post one more time in this thread. Otherwise I have to report to work Friday. I am allowed to post from there as long as we don't have too many crises at one time. (Hmmm... let me think for a moment. We've just shut down every server at our primary site and left them powered off for a week. We've allowed the A/C to turn off. Nobody has done anything with the servers for that week. We'll have to do "sanity" checks on every machine... what possible crises could we have?)

Anyway, the ordeal is almost over and we came out poorer but safer. I'll take that trade any time.
 
Banana, hurricanes can change intensities without warning, but the models have gotten pretty good. Once Gustav got into the Gulf of Mexico where no more land was in the way and where lots of telemetry bouys had been placed around the gulf, we had enough data to form a pretty good airflow model. The models had been scattered like buckshot before Gustav passed Yucatan. After that, they converged pretty well. The bigger trick is not the projection of intensity, but that the damned things can veer off to one side or the other for no apparent reason and in contradiction of any model you've got. Which Gustav did by veering north through Baton Rouge LA after hitting Houma LA and Cocodrie LA. (For the uninitiated, Bayou Cocodrie gives it name to the community, and a French word for a specific kind of alligator gives the name to the bayou.)

The models for hurricanes are such that you must know the temperature of the surface over which they travel in order to predict their position on the Saffir-Simpson scale. When the gulf waters reach 90 degr. F, you have a very dangerous situation. A hurricane is a big evaporative heat pump, and that much heat can fuel a massive storm. Once the hurricane goes over land, though, the heat pump has less heat to pump. If there were any mountains in the way, that would also disrupt the storm through a process whose name escapes me at the moment. In essence, a gas-law effect that allows heat to be dissipated by pressure changes as air masses move across mountains, from lowlands to highlands.

Invariably, within 24 hours of landfall, hurricanes that STAY over land become nasty tropical storms that bring rain. But the winds lose 50% or more of their strength. Then the problem changes from 100+ mph winds to flooding rains. I've seen literally a few hundred in my lifetime. Perhaps, Colin, that's another reason why I continue to live where I live. I know what to expect. What's that old phrase? "Stay with the devil you know rather than a new one you don't know."
 

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