Should the civilian population of all countries be disarmed?

If you live way out in the country a gun is very handy with very slow response times for law enforcement. Also handy because the police will NOT come all the way out here to shoot stray dogs that are hassling livestock and pillaging the chicken coop. Added convenience of acres of freshly turned dirt also assists in ridding of the left overs of a firearm discharge if need be...:eek:
Now back up your theory with facts, guns are designed to KILL, building tools are not
 
Now back up your theory with facts, guns are designed to KILL, building tools are not


The operative word being 'designed'.

The trigger, scope, grip and butt are all features that are specifically designed for a human to use

The use of the object by a human underpins the entire design. Take away the human and all the design features become moot. A gun is and always will be an inanimate object. It is solely the binding relationship, forged by design, between gun and man that triggers, forgive the pun, the issue.

I find the anthropomorphization of the gun a little absurd.
 
The operative word being 'designed'.

The trigger, scope, grip and butt are all features that are specifically designed for a human to use

The use of the object by a human underpins the entire design. Take away the human and all the design features become moot. A gun is and always will be an inanimate object. It is solely the binding relationship, forged by design, between gun and man that triggers, forgive the pun, the issue.

I find the anthropomorphization of the gun a little absurd.

It's intention is to kill; end of story, the other examples given are not
 
Now back up your theory with facts, guns are designed to KILL, building tools are not
Being pedantic that is not quite true. Guns can be designed to fire a projectile at a target or other inanimate object
 
Now back up your theory with facts, guns are designed to KILL, building tools are not

I will treat your comment as serious.:)

Guns were originally designed to kill both people and animals.

However, the vast majority of guns today are designed for either killing animals or some form of target shooting. In fact some are an extremely poor choice for any sort of criminal use.

Ferraris, BMWs, Jaguars, Mercedes are designed to exceed speed limits by an enormous margin. No one "needs" such a car. In fact if everyone who purchased a car could only buy are car that met their "needs" then the saving in resources, money etc could be used to save many lives.

The Australian gov't has paid about $1 billion in gun "buy backs" and waiting lists for surgery extend out to two years etc and etc. and medical research fights for small amounts of funding.

If we ban everything that is not "needed" the lives saved will be enormous.
 
Isn't it great that the deeply religious Americans here (God is American after all) are quite happy to kill another human being (who may not even be armed), then I suppose they'll go to their church on sunday and give thanks that they managed to kill someone.

I still say most Americans here wouldn't have the nerve to do it, it's all talk.

Col
 
It's intention is to kill; end of story, the other examples given are not

It's purpose is to enable people to kill/target shoot etc etc. I have yet to see a gun taken to court for murder.
 
Isn't it great that the deeply religious Americans here (God is American after all) are quite happy to kill another human being (who may not even be armed), then I suppose they'll go to their church on sunday and give thanks that they managed to kill someone.

I still say most Americans here wouldn't have the nerve to do it, it's all talk.

Col

Are you running out of 1 liner's to troll with? I would think a superior European education would provide you with a limitless supply.

It's interesting for me to read your comments Col. Especially because of how much you represent that portion of American stereotyping you like to ostracize. Where an American will throw out xenophobic Americana simply to rub foreigners the wrong way for the joke of it, so to will you simply throw out the foreign slant on that same issue simply to rub the Americans the wrong way for the joke of it.

For example, most gun toting American's probably won't shoot anyone, were they in the situation that is the topic of the forum, presently. You are correct. Now can the same thing be said about the British and brushing their teeth? Or French women and shaving? Does everyone in England know Harry Potter and can they get me an autograph?

It's almost in the same way a religious fanatic will scream with fury "There is a God, I have no evidence or proof but there absolutely is." And an atheist will scream with fury "There is no God, I have no evidence or proof but there absolutely is." Both of them are exactly the same.

It is a grand show, for sure.
 
Oi, now to the guns.

Regardless or whether it be a gun, knife, bat, wrench, tire iron, screw driver, nail gun, a pipe, fertilizer and diesel fuel, hand grenades, bows and arrows, crossbows, atlatls, spears, darts, blowguns, a bucket with an inch of water in it, 2x4's, vehicles, ropes, chains, laser beams, photon torpedoes, or any other manner of tool or otherwise that can be gripped, triggered, manipulated, thrown, tossed, etc it can be used to harm, inflict pain or kill a human being.

Saying that a guns purpose is to kill a human being is no more true than saying any other objects purpose is to kill a human being. Just as it is easier to remove a screw with a screwdriver than it is with a hammer it is easier to kill a human with a gun than it is pillow. Just because it is easier to kill a human with a gun this does not dictate it's purpose. If asked, I would say a gun's purpose is to move a round down range at a high velocity.

This is simply because before guns when people wanted to eat meat they had very limited options. These tools are also what they used in substitute of the gun in every other situation that we use the gun, legal or not. Crime is not a product of guns. Crime is the product of people.

An interesting point to note, in the case of higher caliber weapons (technically over here the only guns are the indirect fire ones, the rest are rifles, or pistols) specifically the 50 Cal, you do not have to hit the target to cause death. If the round comes within 1 foot (I believe) of the target, whatever part of the target is nearest is more than likely gone. To me, this means the purpose of the gun is to create an extremely high velocity round and the death of the person is a side effect. Much like a nail gun is great at nailing boards together - but accidently target a human in the head and they will more than likely die.
 
It's purpose is to enable people to kill/target shoot etc etc. I have yet to see a gun taken to court for murder.
No but the companies that make them were, that's until the land of the free decided the manufacturers weren't liable, unlike other companies:rolleyes:
 
Saying that a guns purpose is to kill a human being is no more true than saying any other objects purpose is to kill a human being. Just as it is easier to remove a screw with a screwdriver than it is with a hammer it is easier to kill a human with a gun than it is pillow. Just because it is easier to kill a human with a gun this does not dictate it's purpose. If asked, I would say a gun's purpose is to move a round down range at a high velocity.

This is simply because before guns when people wanted to eat meat they had very limited options. These tools are also what they used in substitute of the gun in every other situation that we use the gun, legal or not. Crime is not a product of guns. Crime is the product of people.


In the U.S. for 2001, there were 29,573 deaths from guns, I couldn't find any figures for those kiled by screwdrivers and spanners
 
Now can the same thing be said about the British and brushing their teeth?

It's not the teeth brushing, the Brits only have a bath once a week (according to legend)

Or French women and shaving?

Again, it's not limited to France, there are many Spanish and Greek girls I have seen that could happily knit a pullover with their underarm hair. I stayed with two Spanish (female) friends in their house near Madrid a couple of years ago, they had a pool, I have to say I was a little surprised at their lack of razor usage - but it's normal to them.

Does everyone in England know Harry Potter and can they get me an autograph?

Yes, no problem.

Now what was your question?

Col
 
...The only person who might kill is Ken, he is a qualified killer of things that breathe.

Col

Gee Col, you can pay a compliment when you want - Thanks...

But it's not so much being 'qualified', it's simply a hunting license I buy at wal-mart ;):D
 

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