Lets Stop George Bush before he Destroys the Whole Planet Earth.

[ColinEssex]

See? Those are exactly the kind of blanket statements that irritate the hell out of me You are applying attributes of the current administration to the entirety of the population

I'd be surprised if the US population has any sway over the items I have posted. Therefore its obvious that I am referring to the US government.

even though the opinion polls have him at the lowest point of any prez in history.

big deal thats not stopping him though is it?

Would you please stop arbitrarily grouping me in with the sheep?

So you're saying most Americans are sheep? Anyway, I'm unclear where I may have done this

Some of us do have minds of our own, understand what spin is, understand twisting of facts, and are not deceived.

Unfortunately that does not come across too well from some Americans here.

I'll thank you to remember that there are some of us with IQ's far above the level that you and your fellow bashers presume to attribute to Americans as a whole

Again I am unclear where I have referred to the IQ rating of Americans

and we are not amused

about what exactly?

As far as the Queen (Gesundheit!) goes, seems to me that a little of your own medicine would do more good than appealing to your sense of open-mindedness.

Col

 

[Bodisathva]

I'd be surprised if the US population has any sway over the items I have posted. Therefore its obvious that I am referring to the US government.

so I mis-interpreted:

when Americans start thinking about other peoples values instead of being totally insular, maybe things may change...

big deal thats not stopping him though is it?

..and just what the hell is the average American supposed to do about it besides wait for the end of his term?

So you're saying most Americans are sheep? Anyway, I'm unclear where I may have done this

No, I'm saying that you seem to believe that the majority of Americans function as sheep, blindly following the flocking shepherd.

Unfortunately that does not come across too well from some Americans here.

but it most certainly does from others.

Again I am unclear where I have referred to the IQ rating of Americans

Every time you infer that we lack the fortitude or intelligence to think for ourselves.

about what exactly?

Every time you infer that we lack the fortitude or intelligence to think for ourselves.

 

[ColinEssex]

..and just what the hell is the average American supposed to do about it besides wait for the end of his term?

well its odd that when Clinton had a little grope with Monica there were huge calls for impeachment.
The next Prez kills thousands and is a total twat and makes the USA the laughing stock and makes everyone hate the USA yet nothing is said. . . . . . . .

No, I'm saying that you seem to believe that the majority of Americans function as sheep,

Hmmm, your comment

Would you please stop arbitrarily grouping me in with the sheep?

does actually indicate you think the majority of Americans as sheep. I never have mentioned sheep.

but it most certainly does from others.

Then they should join Rich and I to take on the task of education, to the poor lost souls who believe CNN or whatever censored TV they watch

Every time you infer that we lack the fortitude or intelligence to think for ourselves.

It would be nice if there was evidence to the contrary

Col

 

[dan-cat]

I'd be surprised if the US population has any sway over the items I have posted. Therefore its obvious that I am referring to the US government.

What about being insular you mean?

when Americans start thinking about other peoples values instead of being totally insular, maybe things may change.

There is nothing in this statement that even hints that 'being totally insular' refers to the US administration. It's just a blanket statement pertaining to people who are American.

If I had said this:

when Britons start thinking about other peoples values instead of being totally insular, maybe things may change.

I would have been referring to the inhabitants of Great Britain would I not, not the inhabitants of Whitehall?

 

[dan-cat]

It would be nice if there was evidence to the contrary

when Americans start thinking about other peoples values instead of being totally insular, maybe things may change.

 

[Bodisathva]

well its odd that when Clinton had a little grope with Monica there were huge calls for impeachment.

The loudest voice of dissention was from that little Texas Twerp and not all of us were screaming for Clinton's impeachment. I actually cheered him on.

Hmmm, your comment does actually indicate you think the majority of Americans as sheep. I never have mentioned sheep.

No it indicates that there are sheep, not that they are the majority. Your assertions are that we blindly follow where the administration leads...I was shortening your perjorative assumptions.

Then they should join Rich and I to take on the task of education, to the poor lost souls who believe CNN or whatever censored TV they watch

Oh, absolutely...and next time I need to know how to drive a boat, I'll call Joseph Hazelwood

It would be nice if there was evidence to the contrary

Dan beat me to it.

 

[ShaneMan]

Keep your knickers on Shaney if American TV programmes like M.A.S.H. can belittle the purple heart - like the episode where a soldier had an appendix operation and got one, or the one where Frank Burns accidentally shot his foot and he got one - what the hell are we supposed to think? The USA can't chuck out all this stuff on TV then wonder why people think the way they do the impression given is that if a soldier breaks a nail or has a skin graze then they get a medal. Hollywood is not good PR for the USA. Oh and you're not the only person to have relatives to have served in the armed forces.Col

Your actually going to use M.A.S.H. or any other T.V. program, to make your excuse for being indifferent to how others may feel about a metal of honor? Excuses are like butts everyone has one and they all stink. I gave you too much credit, I guess, for being smart enough to know what you were doing, when making a insulting comment like this, but I guess you keep your mind in T.V. and that's were you get all your "informed" information. By watching M.A.S.H.

Oh, BTW, I never claimed I was the only one with relatives that have served in the armed forces. I used that as an explaination as to why things like the Purple Heart, would have a value to me.

when Americans start thinking about other peoples values instead of being totally insular, maybe things may change.

Does the US government think of peoples values before they bomb them? NO

Does the US think of other peoples values whilst they ignore the Kyoto agreement for payment of backhanders?

Does the US think of other peoples values whilst stockpiling oil so "we'll be ok" when things get tight?

Does the US think of other peoples values arming Israel to kill innocent people and children on their behalf?

Does Ken think of our values before he belittles and mocks our Queen? (god bless her) - who knows what Ken thinks

Col

Then comes the typical duck and run tactic that you and Rich are masters of. The topic was blacks opportunities in American and now it's been turned into the great satan--America. America is at the root of all the worlds problems. Maybe if you researched something besides the BBC (British Bull Crap) you could have at least a little better view of what's going on in the world besides your closed minded, it's everyone else's fault view points.

 

[ColinEssex]

Your actually going to use M.A.S.H. or any other T.V. program, to make your excuse for being indifferent to how others may feel about a metal of honor?

If Americans do it [make light of the medal / metal], and broadcast it worldwide, why do you moan when I do it? I'd never heard of this purple heart thingy till I saw it in MASH. If its true that everyone gets one that is injured, I wish I had shares in the company that makes them.
As I said, it was an "upper" we took when we were teenagers, so we wouldn't waste time sleeping and attend more parties.

America is at the root of all the worlds problems.

Glad you've recognised it now convince Ol' Cross eyes

Maybe if you researched something besides the BBC (British Bull Crap) you could have at least a little better view of what's going on in the world

What like your censored CNN or ABC? Nice one - I like your sense of humour Shane

Col

 

[ShaneMan]

If Americans do it [make light of the medal / metal], and broadcast it worldwide, why do you moan when I do it? I'd never heard of this purple heart thingy till I saw it in MASH. If its true that everyone gets one that is injured, I wish I had shares in the company that makes them. Col

You pride yourself in researching a topic. Research the Purple Heart and then you can make a more informed statement. Rather than using a T.V. program as your source. You've been told, many times, that using American T.V. as your guide to how it is in America, is not an advisable way to go.

As I said, it was an "upper" we took when we were teenagers, so we wouldn't waste time sleeping and attend more parties.

and it would appear you did this one too many time.

What like your censored CNN or ABC? Nice one - I like your sense of humour Shane
Col

Can't go them either! CNN (Communist News Network); ABC (America Bashing Channel)

 

[KenHigg]

...and it would appear you did this one too many time.

Does explain a lot -

 

[ColinEssex]

You pride yourself in researching a topic. Research the Purple Heart and then you can make a more informed statement. Rather than using a T.V. program as your source. You've been told, many times, that using American T.V. as your guide to how it is in America, is not an advisable way to go.

Ok, I looked it up

The Purple Heart is a U.S. military decoration awarded in the name of the President of the United States to those who have been wounded or killed while serving on or, after April 5, 1917, with the U.S. military

here

Oddly enough, its the same description as mine.

Now tell me again why MASH can make fun of it and you get all silly when I mention it

Col

 

[dan-cat]

Now tell me again why MASH can make fun of it and you get all silly when I mention it

The script-writers of M.A.S.H were much wittier than you

 

[ShaneMan]

Now tell me again why MASH can make fun of it and you get all silly when I mention it
Col

Don't think that was my point. Using M.A.S.H. as your defense, doesn't fly with me. M.A.S.H. was out of line for doing it and so were you. M.A.S.H. was pretty controversial program and made light of a lot of things. That didn't make it right. I guess if everyone else was eatting horse manure...you would too.

Now, tell me again, why you were thoughtless enough to make fun of a metal given to wounded war veterans. Oh, yea, it was the drugs you take so you can party longer.

 

[Kraj]

The script-writers of M.A.S.H were much wittier than you

I'm pretty sure this was intended as a joke, but it actually sums the matter up nicely. It's about context.

M.A.S.H. was a show about the absurdities of war. The whole point was using comedy to cleverly make statements about the military. In that context, poking fun at the Purple Heart makes sense (for example, pointing out that bravery and sacrifice do not necessarily equate to being wounded or killed and vice versa). But it doesn't do anything to degrade the bravery and sacrifice of those who received the Purple Heart, even if some of the recipients may not have been as deserving as others.

Colin's comments have no such context, they are simply degrading.

 

[ShaneMan]

I'm pretty sure this was intended as a joke, but it actually sums the matter up nicely. It's about context.

M.A.S.H. was a show about the absurdities of war. The whole point was using comedy to cleverly make statements about the military. In that context, poking fun at the Purple Heart makes sense (for example, pointing out that bravery and sacrifice do not necessarily equate to being wounded or killed and vice versa). But it doesn't do anything to degrade the bravery and sacrifice of those who received the Purple Heart, even if some of the recipients may not have been as deserving as others.

Colin's comments have no such context, they are simply degrading.

Thanks Kraj, way better said than I could pull off, but it does hit the nail on the head.

 

[pbaldy]

I think I finally understand Colin and Rich. The strategy is to just keep throwing crap until the other side gives up in frustration and goes away. Then you declare victory.

The issue we were discussing was whether there are any highly paid black people here (someone said “ask one”, you asked “are there any?” which carries an implication that you don’t think there are).

I provided anecdotal evidence that there are, using a common catchphrase, and rather than examine the issue, you latch onto the phrase and question the education system. How is that not sidestepping the issue?

Then you say:
“The general Hollywood and TV trend is to show pimps and drug barons as predominately black. Some are white - true. But that is one reason as to why you may apparently see so many Mercs etc being driven by blacks.”

I’m not really sure what you meant, but the implication is that the blacks driving Mercs are either pimps or drug barons. Then the real beauty is that you take my obviously sarcastic statement that “all blacks…” and imply that I’m actually classing all black people that way. I suppose that should put me on the defensive, trying to prove I don't feel that way, and presto!, we're off the real issue again, just like you intended. Well, I'm not going to bother, so unless you want to discuss the original issue...

 

[Kraj]

I think I finally understand Colin and Rich. The strategy is to just keep throwing crap until the other side gives up in frustration and goes away. Then you declare victory.

You catch on quick. Welcome to the cooler.

 

[KenHigg]

You catch on quick. Welcome to the cooler.

Can you say 'Horses Ass'

 

[pbaldy]

You catch on quick. Welcome to the cooler.

Actually, it would seem I'm a little slow. It took me a while to notice how deep the crap I was standing in was.

Anyway, I thought the "Politics & Current Events" forum was supposed to exclude that stuff and be a little more "logic" based than the "free-for-all" Watercooler.

 

[Bodisathva]

Anyway, I thought the "Politics & Current Events" forum was supposed to exclude that stuff and be a little more "logic" based than the "free-for-all" Watercooler.

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