Ukraine

[AccessBlaster]

The military industrial complex is running the show, everything else is just static.

 

[Steve R.]

the Clinton's were pushing eastward expansion. So why are people surprised?

Since the Clinton's came-up. The demise of Muammar Gaddafi was an apparent Hillary Clinton "hit job". Bill Clinton, took the side of Muslims in Bosnia by launching cruise missiles into Serbian held areas of Bosnia. (Perhaps the first example of Democrats using the official power of the US to openly supporting Muslims.)

Since Bill Clinton interfered in Bosnia/Serbia, can a case be contrived that the US could legitimately interfere in a Ukrainian/Russian dispute?
(Of course Bosnia/Serbia was a situation where the US was the powerful bully that could push these smaller countries around. That is not the case with Russia,)
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Since posting, I did some internet searching. Unbelievably NATO was involved in attacking Gaddafi. That is unbelievable as NATO is supposed to be a defensive organization to protect Europe. Libya is in Africa.

2011 military intervention in Libya - Wikipedia

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On 19 March 2011, a multi-state NATO-led coalition began a military intervention in Libya, to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, in response to events during the First Libyan Civil War. With ten votes in favour and five abstentions, the UN Security Council's intent was to have "an immediate ceasefire in Libya, including an end to the current attacks against civilians, which it said might constitute “crimes against humanity” ... [imposing] a ban on all flights in the country's airspace — a no-fly zone — and tightened sanctions on the [Muammar] Qadhafi regime and its supporters."

 

[Steve R.]

@Pat Hartman: You posted, while I was making an edit. Evidently, in the case of Lyba, the UN did sanction a NATO attack. Seems like the UN could "defend" the Ukraine. The problem of course is that Russia and China have veto power in the UN.

2011 military intervention in Libya - Wikipedia

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[AngelSpeaks]

Am I the only one who sees a problem here? We also sit on the security council. Can we invade Canada with impunity?

Unfortunately any member of the permanent security council can get away with anything. The rule that all five members must agree is beyond stupid. There are ten members of the non permanent security council. How about if ten members agree, a resolution passes?

 

[AngelSpeaks]

Is the presence of a VP not a strong representation of a Government?

She's an embarrassment. So to answer your question, no.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Was Kuwait a NATO member in 1990? I think we all know the answer.

 

[oleronesoftwares]

I don't believe that the Ukrainians should be abandoned to deal alone with the Russians. Where the hell is the UN? Isn't the UN supposed to stop this type of aggression? Why is the UN allowing Russia to get away with invading another sovereign country?

The whole idea of the UN does not favor most countries, if most countries of the world were better governed and advanced, UN ideology won't sell far.

 

[oleronesoftwares]

She's an embarrassment. So to answer your question, no.

If she is, then the same thing applies to her boss.

 

[oleronesoftwares]

The rule that all five members must agree is beyond stupid

How can the UN be united, when its security council is polarised. Russia and China VS the rest.

 

[oleronesoftwares]

f only she were not a complete moron. When you ask her a question she has no answer for she cracks up hysterically. It is funny to watch and the interviewer usually joins in, but really sad. She is a heartbeat away from the presidency and she is completely clueless.

Hmm, that is soo sad, because in the future reference will be made that the first female VP was clueless.

 

[oleronesoftwares]

Unfortunately, Biden/Harris made provocative statements to the effect that if the Ukraine wanted to be in NATO that that was Ukraine's right and Russia had no right to interfere

This might be what triggered the War because Putin knows that the USA will not allow such if they were in the shoes of Russia.

 

[AccessBlaster]

"Biden to announce Friday that US will move to revoke 'most favored nation' status for Russia"

They haven't done this yet? Wow.

 

[Cotswold]

You may not believe this but apparently there are people in Australia and the USA who think Ukraine is a hoax. A bit like the flat earth brigade.

 

[AngelSpeaks]

If she is, then the same thing applies to her boss.

Absolutely!

 

[AngelSpeaks]

Hmm, that is soo sad, because in the future reference will be made that the first female VP was clueless.

She's an embarrassment to the Women's Movement.

 

[AngelSpeaks]

How can the UN be united, when its security council is polarised. Russia and China VS the rest.

That's why the UN is impotent. This is why GWB went after Iraq. The UN wouldn't do it.

 

[NauticalGent]

That's why the UN is impotent. This is why GWB went after Iraq. The UN wouldn't do it.

It was at that momment, while I was still on Active Duty, that I realised that it was all a big joke and that there had to be a different reason other than WMD. We have been had...

 

[NauticalGent]

 

[AccessBlaster]

So there's that!

 

[Isaac]

I agree. So have I. When I hitched around Europe when I was 18, it took me 2 hours to get a lift into Switzerland. Two young ladies rocked up, stuck their thumbs out and got a lift in about 30 seconds! Also, having to pay for entrance on "Ladies Night" in nightclubs, which was often a Friday. Women get in free. Is that discriminating based on gender?

There does tend to be a double standard on gender issues. Feminists want equality and non-discrimination based on gender. Tell that to the Ukrainian men who are not allowed to leave the country, only women and children. The men get conscripted and sent to their deaths in a bloody war. You can't have it both ways. Either you believe in non-discrimination or you don't. You can't pick and choose based how unpleasant the task is.

Jon, that is such a good point.

While there has been plenty of discrimination against women, as a male, it's quite obvious to me that BOTH genders have unique advantages, and BOTH genders have unique areas where they either are at a disadvantage or bear an extra burden - or whatever.

It is reasonable for the average person to keep both in mind - equally.

Interestingly, women have unloaded many of theirs. For example, most women would expect their husband NOT to expect them to be at home with an apron, iron and mop.

But if you hear the sound of glass breaking in your window in the middle of the night, or the doorbell rings at 2 AM, or whatever...........
Guess which gender will be expected to get up and confront....../ absorb......./make contact with, whatever / whoever it is? The man of course. And the same goes for all physical hurt, all pain and suffering, all danger and risk and confrontation and danger: The man is put out in front. With one exception of course, the non-trivial one of childbirth. (But that's optional).

One thing I will go as far as to say I am sick of articles that say things like: 100 people were hurt yesterday, including many women and children.
As if the women's lives and pain are worth so much more than a man's.

Last time I checked, a bullet entering one's body hurts a man as much as it hurts a woman. Although men may be treated as disposables bodies to throw at a conflict, their pain is just as painful.

I'm fine with being the gender that steps up and absorbs the brunt of physical pain and suffering, because God created men with a bit of a tendency to want to step up and deal with that stuff, as is fairly obvious to everyone. That doesn't mean I appreciate it being overlooked, nor society to pretend men's pain isn't just as painful as it would be for a woman.

There should be the exact same amount of sympathy for every last random 18 yr old man forced to fight and get hurt in Ukraine the same as a story covering women getting hurt.

Discrimination against women has definitely happened and been bad, but they are not without their distinct advantages..