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I think congratulations to Sen John McCain is in order as the first politician in US history to show humility in a concession speech. He may not have won the presidency, but there are a lot of people in the world who could learn a valuable lesson in how to graciously step down with class and honour.
 

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Yes one must give praise where it's due, and thank god that the woman who put alas into Alaska didn't get near the button, after all she would have just used it to change the view out of her window;)
 

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I think congratulations to Sen John McCain is in order as the first politician in US history to show humility in a concession speech. He may not have won the presidency, but there are a lot of people in the world who could learn a valuable lesson in how to graciously step down with class and honour.

I thought McCain's speech was well done, and he deserves credit for being a gracious loser. If only his supporters showed as much class. I couldn't believe that they thought booing when McCain said that he respected Obama and his family was in any way appropriate. In contrast, Obama's supporters cheered when he said that he may not have won everyone's vote, but he heard their voices, and he will be their president too. A very telling contrast, I think. It will be interesting to see whether McCain's supporters eventually come round as Hillary's supporters did in the end.
 

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I was really shocked that his own supporters would damage the professionalism and compassion of his speech with racial slurs. I was actually quite maddenned that his own supporters would do that to him.
 

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I was really shocked that his own supporters would damage the professionalism and compassion of his speech with racial slurs. I was actually quite maddenned that his own supporters would do that to him.
At the same time, he didn't do himself any favours during his campaigning when cranking the handle on his smear campaign that took in names like terrorist, friend of terrorists, Marxist, socialist, and so on. Should he expect the supporters to be respectful when he produces such a volte-face reaction as his concession speech?
 

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At the same time, he didn't do himself any favours during his campaigning when cranking the handle on his smear campaign that took in names like terrorist, friend of terrorists, Marxist, socialist, and so on. Should he expect the supporters to be respectful when he produces such a volte-face reaction as his concession speech?

I fully agree with that. I recall watching a clip from a speech he gave a few days before the election where McCain supporters were actually expressing their concern that Obama is a terrorist/socialist/freak of nature whatever the ignorant people would like to call him. McCain flat out told them then that Obama is anything but that, and to respect him for his accomplishments. I had to laugh, because shortly after I saw a commercial on tv for McCain's ad campaign questioning the radical ties. Scare tactics worked in 2004 to secure Bush with a victory, but they did not work this time. :cool:

It's really the racial slurs that I was disgusted by. Besides the terms used in his concession speech in the background, I remember seeing another video of interviews with McCain supporters where the children of the voters were actually calling him a monkey. I don't recall seeing any ad campaigns calling him anything like that. I fear that the ignorance of the people in the rural areas of our country and the way they are raising their children to have the same ideals will separate this country into a pseudo Cival War situation. It's really quite sad.

Do you change your user name enough? :p
 

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Racist behaviour is always deplorable. I hope everyone here will direp any racist posts they see on these boards
 

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Conversely, seems if members of the black community wanted to be part of a 'greater cause' then they would distance themselves from things like 'Miss Black America' and Jesse Jackson which tend to deepen the gap between blacks and whites.

When a black mother takes her kid out of school to celebrate a 'black president' seems she is as much of a racist as all of those people you have spoken of on the McCain side. Or am I missing something ???
 

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Conversely, seems if members of the black community wanted to be part of a 'greater cause' then they would distance themselves from things like 'Miss Black America' and Jesse Jackson which tend to deepen the gap between blacks and whites.

When a black mother takes her kid out of school to celebrate a 'black president' seems she is as much of a racist as all of those people you have spoken of on the McCain side. Or am I missing something ???
I think you are missing that there is a difference between positive and negative attitudes. Obama's election has sent out a positive message to all non-white americans that your colour/race need not be a barrier to how far you can develop yourself.
 

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I think you are missing that there is a difference between positive and negative attitudes. Obama's election has sent out a positive message to all non-white americans that your colour/race need not be a barrier to how far you can develop yourself.

I'll go along with that, not sure how you connected it to my comments though...:confused:
 

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I'll go along with that, not sure how you connected it to my comments though...:confused:
I guess I was saying that it isn't racist in a negative sense to celebrate a historic event like the election of the first non-white president of the US. Would it have been racist if a white mother had kept a white kid out of school to clebrate the result. I don't think so. Then it smacks of double standards to say the the black mother is racist and the white mother is not
 

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The white mother would be just as wrong. Now if the black mother tells her kid that while it should be a lesson 'that your color/race need not be a barrier to how far you can develop yourself', the real reason we are celebrating is that Mr. Obama appears to be a intelligent, passionate man who will help all Americans, then be happy. But celebrate? Let’s make that judgment 4 years from now; after all he is still a politician.
 

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I disagree. If someone had been taken out of school to celebrate Clinton's win over Bush in 1992 that clearly would not have been racist. It is surely you who are being oversensitive in attributing racists motives for celebrating this win. Unless you know all the facts you cannot make a correct assessment. "Judge not that ye be not judged"
 

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I disagree. If someone had been taken out of school to celebrate Clinton's win over Bush in 1992 that clearly would not have been racist. It is surely you who are being oversensitive in attributing racists motives for celebrating this win. Unless you know all the facts you cannot make a correct assessment. "Judge not that ye be not judged"

I think you're taking my example out of context and attempting to apply it to anyone celebrating the win. I specifically said if they are celebrating because he is black then I see no other assumption that can be made except they're racist - :confused:
 

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I am sorry to see you still confused. I think you should try a little harder to understand:D If the black woman was discriminating against non-blacks then she would be being racist.
 

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I don't see racisit as be just 'against' somebody because of race but 'against' or 'for' somebody based on race - ?
 

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I don't see racisit as be just 'against' somebody because of race but 'against' or 'for' somebody based on race - ?

The racial situation and especially in places like Australia is not really an "anti racial" attitude but rather an "anti culture" attitude.

The problem with Obama is not that he is half white but all the baggage he will bring with him from both his political views and the views of all the hanger oners. One would expect political correctness to go even further than the current situation.

An additional problem in these more modern times is that very big business totally controls the "big picture" and so politicians are reduced to social change only and since that is all they can do things will get worse.

I recently saw on a thread where Rabbie ( I think it was Rabbie) said that direp points should be given to anyone who make "racist" comments. Think about what that achieves.
 

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I recently saw on a thread where Rabbie ( I think it was Rabbie) said that direp points should be given to anyone who make "racist" comments. Think about what that achieves.

I saw that but skipped over it. It seems a typical liberal view; Regulate everything. ?
 

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II fear that the ignorance of the people in the rural areas of our country and the way they are raising their children to have the same ideals will separate this country into a pseudo Cival War situation. It's really quite sad.

You need to remember that "the other side" regards your views as equally ignorant.

I find it quite interesting at the moment to see the views on AWF Political and Watercooler as opposed to the political forums on guns/hunting sites.
 

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Racism is a learned behavior, people need to be properly informed and learn a better understanding for eachother and respect differences for what they are: differences.
I do not think it is very nice to make hurtful comments about people based on such differences, on a forum I will post that I feel it is hurtful. I refuse to get into any discussion or banter over it because that person's difference is that in my opinion they have a character flaw and they are not aware of it. Some people of certain character will even post prejudicial comments because they get a reaction that some how justifies their existance in their view, but I chose to ignore such types as much as possible. Perhaps this is the best way to deal with such personalities as even negative recognition will spur them on...

The racial situation and especially in places like Australia is not really an "anti racial" attitude but rather an "anti culture" attitude.

The problem with Obama is not that he is half white but all the baggage he will bring with him from both his political views and the views of all the hanger oners. One would expect political correctness to go even further than the current situation.

An additional problem in these more modern times is that very big business totally controls the "big picture" and so politicians are reduced to social change only and since that is all they can do things will get worse.

I recently saw on a thread where Rabbie ( I think it was Rabbie) said that direp points should be given to anyone who make "racist" comments. Think about what that achieves.
 

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